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ER UFO researcher and you're listening

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to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that

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uafo podcast my name is Andy and I am

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here with your second Deep dive the

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first Deep dive in the series was with

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Joe mergia on the Wilson Davis memo and

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it was very successful with a lot of

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great feedback and today I am back to

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investigate one of my personal favorite

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events in the history of the UFO subject

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my guest today is an internationally

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acclaimed physician and health educator

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who pushed aside her successful medical

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career to pursue the Phoenix Lights book

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and internationally award-winning

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documentary project she was Leading The

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Cutting Edge era of early disease

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detection and prevention as Chief

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clinical consultant of the Imaging

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prevention Wellness Center at the world

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renowned Arizona Heart Institute in

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Phoenix Arizona until coming forward

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around seven years after the event we're

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going to talk about and she was a key

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witness to the historic Phoenix Lights

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event in March 13 1997 I'd like to

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welcome Dr Lynn kitai to the podcast so

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wonderful to be with you and your

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audience and to set the record straight

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as a a key witness who I'm the only one

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with 35 millimeter of these unexplained

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aerial phenomena UAP that have now been

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held worldwide as the most witnessed

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most documented most important Mass

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history if not all of history so it's a

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pleasure to be with you and your

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audience and and really get into

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um what really happened here and how the

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story unfolded it's fascinating in and

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of itself but there is so much to this

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story that I look forward to sharing uh

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with your audience because it's time we

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get this topic out in the open address

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forward and not only find out who's

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driving these things but move forward in

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our own Evolution we're right on the

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precipice of realizing now that the

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government and military have come

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forward to say that these things are

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real and that they can't explain where

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they're from or who's driving them

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um the Phoenix Lights case really is

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so it's a thrill to be with you and

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um that you know we can start off with

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my first setting I had no interest or

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knowledge of the topic at all in fact I

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kind of pushed it aside I was too busy

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bringing up two young boys to be caring

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and productive adults which they are and

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uh also which is ironic my life's work

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has been Community Education of vital

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health issues I started in 1976 while I

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um saw the need to educate the public on

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vital health issues and went to NBC in

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Philadelphia Pennsylvania with an idea

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they happened to be doing a two-week

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series on uh Women's medical problems

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and and from the get-go my background

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the icons out there Gordon McRae in

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Oklahoma and Betty Grable and Guys and

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others so I kind of combined all that to

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do Health reporting on NBC and uh did

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everything from researching and writing

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the shoot and going back and editing and

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then being on set to answer questions

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syndication had grown out of my health

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tips that was already shown here at CVS

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substance abuse but in the classroom

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curriculums workbook curriculums that

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have won all kinds of awards and so

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of others to give poignant messages I

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everything so hopefully it would wake

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without any interest or knowledge in the

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topic at all and if anybody is by their

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computer if they would like to get on

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thousands of people sold I have been

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lighting that I had we live Mountainside

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in Paradise Valley and in Phoenix there

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are mountains surrounding the valley

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you'll see the topography which is very

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it coincidence anymore it happened to be

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towel ringing wet run over to the window

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military were three Amber orbs in a

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desert landscape in fact I looked

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tried to take everything in mentally I

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and it's just like it happened yesterday

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talk about what they were seeing or oval

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handy to capture the sunset and I run to

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the closet to get my camera saying

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nobody's going to believe this unless I

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take a picture of it it was so unusual

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up close and personal I watched the top

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board without budging from the two

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it the the only shows we ever saw

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original Star Trek series with William

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um because the messages were so great

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the Third Kind and

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but in Star Trek they talk about or they

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show the Romulan cloaking device that

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kind of wavers before it close I really

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noted that just popped in my head that

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it wasn't wavering at all but it was

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cloaking it was cloaking right in front

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of us until it was pea-sized and then

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disappeared but

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it felt like it was still there where

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sliding glass doors perpendicular to

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that big window took a quick picture of

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and immediately noticed an eerie silence

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as if time had stopped it was just

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bizarre

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and as intently as I was watching these

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two lower orbs and I have to admit I did

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not admit this to anyone until two years

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who are you what are you do you know

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that I'm here I'd love to meet you

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that's exactly what I thought the next

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thing I remember the left bottom orb

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started to shrink just like the top one

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did and something told me to take a

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picture and I clicked a picture of that

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that's also on the photo page that was

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the only one that turned out at the time

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but for me it was miraculous because

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here I caught one or half disappeared

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well it was cloaking and one's still

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there but I didn't know who to show it

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to I knew no one who was into the topic

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and I wondered for two years what this

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advanced technology was right outside

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our bedroom window why my husband and I

279
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saw it together okay so we could

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corroborate that there was something

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there and I had a picture of it

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not until two months before the mass

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sighting and people don't know this

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there is so much Miss and disinformation

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out there

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that

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and inevitably because I pushed my whole

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medical career aside for seven years

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after a thousands of people saw what

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I've been saying to try to find a

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logical explanation for what I witnessed

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and photographed I have multiple 35

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millimeter photographs of these UAP

294
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I have yet to find that but two months

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before the mass saving I'm lying in bed

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and if anything pops up out there

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whether it's you know a storm a dust

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storm or a fire or whatever we it

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catches our eye

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and here I notice three Amber orbs in an

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equidistant line Far West

302
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and this is January 22nd 97. and I'm

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watching them and as I'm watching them

304
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they're hovering for minutes

305
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and I'm thinking wait a minute they're

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amber color they were huge balls of

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light they're in an equidistant line now

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and I watched each one from right to

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left

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it seemed to implode just like 95. and I

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mentioned it to my husband which by the

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way he did not want to talk about that

313
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close sighting

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he would not discuss it he would get a

315
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little agitated when I brought it up

316
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it's interesting that everybody comes

317
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from a different background different

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upbringing different belief system

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different world view some people can't

320
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deal with this topic some people don't

321
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want to and that's okay

322
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everyone in their own time but now

323
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there's data they can really look at but

324
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at any rate I mentioned it to him and he

325
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said do I still have to go to work

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tomorrow no is this common

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the next evening he was at a medical

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board meeting

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and I get up to the bedroom and I

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noticed that out of the sliding glass

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door is now the same three Amber orbs

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huge but at a distance in front of South

333
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Mountain and if you look on that photo

334
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page the first picture you'll notice

335
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there are red blinking lights on top of

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South Mountain to alert aircraft that

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are coming into Sky Harbor that's in

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front of South Mountain that there's a

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mountain there and they were lower than

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those lights so I figured enough I'm

341
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getting my video camera I run downstairs

342
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I grab my video camera it was charged I

343
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get out to the front area and I get

344
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about 18 seconds worth the battery goes

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dead

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I go inside I plug it up it's about

347
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eight o'clock I run outside they're gone

348
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about a half hour later

349
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my husband's coming up the drive I go

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outside I said honey remember I told you

351
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about the three equidistant orbs Far

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West last night about a half an hour ago

353
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they were right in front of southbound

354
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and as I'm pointing just like this they

355
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reappear in the same spot I was like

356
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whoa I gotta get for this so again

357
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little coincidence because my video

358
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camera was attached to electricity to

359
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charge it up in video it doesn't do the

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lights Justice this is really important

361
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in video the lights are much smaller

362
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they're white not Amber they flicker

363
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nonetheless the formations themselves

364
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are very compelling if you really look

365
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at it but 35 millimeter they're in the

366
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negative I grab my 35 millimeter I get

367
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out to the balcony just as I'm ready to

368
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shoot the three

369
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suddenly six lights pop on above the

370
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three massive span over a mile wide

371
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totally equidistant from each other it

372
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was so unnerving not having an

373
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explanation for 95 closed sighting

374
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that I started to shake

375
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and the first picture of that series you

376
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can see it's wavy because I'm shaking

377
00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:02,339
okay but I kept my wits about me thank

378
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goodness because the second picture to

379
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me is a Smoking Gun

380
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the second picture shows and I always

381
00:16:13,069 --> 00:16:11,459
say the data speaks for itself just look

382
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at it and if I can be a credible voice

383
00:16:17,389 --> 00:16:15,540
so people actually look at the data then

384
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I've done my job so I hope that your

385
00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:19,380
audience will look at the data because

386
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here there's one light in the center

387
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:23,639
that's the brightest and two on each

388
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side with two underneath in the picture

389
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two months later

390
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thousands of people would describe what

391
00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:33,839
they were seeing during the mass

392
00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:37,019
sighting as five lights in a V formation

393
00:16:43,249 --> 00:16:39,899
with two trailing lights and we have

394
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documentation on TV on the radio of

395
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,259
people sharing just that this is two

396
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months before the imaginating

397
00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:51,000
then as I'm clicking away

398
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whatever I was capturing head on turned

399
00:17:00,050 --> 00:16:56,880
into a v-shape

400
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and that as the lights were disappearing

401
00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:02,040
from underneath the three lights were

402
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disappearing I ran inside called The

403
00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:07,439
Arizona Republic newspaper which is a

404
00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:09,240
big newspaper here and said you've got

405
00:17:12,730 --> 00:17:11,100
to get somebody out there quick there's

406
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:12,740
strange lights in front of sass Mountain

407
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:15,360
get some pictures of it and please tell

408
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,179
me what it is as I finish the sentence

409
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:20,640
they were gone

410
00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:23,520
didn't sleep well that night but by the

411
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,319
next morning I was like come on there's

412
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,120
got to be a logical explanation right

413
00:17:32,450 --> 00:17:29,520
I'll just search it out so I called the

414
00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:32,460
Arizona Republic again and got an

415
00:17:36,770 --> 00:17:34,200
operator on the phone I said did anybody

416
00:17:38,990 --> 00:17:36,780
call last night to report strange lights

417
00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:39,000
in front of South Mountain she gets off

418
00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:40,500
she gets right back on she said nope

419
00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:43,500
nobody called well I know I called so I

420
00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:45,539
said well my husband and I did see

421
00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:46,980
something strange I'm just trying to

422
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,500
find out what it is she says well

423
00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,320
sometimes they do experimental Maneuvers

424
00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:54,780
from Luke Air Force Base and they don't

425
00:17:59,630 --> 00:17:56,580
tell the public about it I thought that

426
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,640
sounds reasonable but let me go and see

427
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:01,919
if that's what it was so I call Luke Air

428
00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:04,260
Force Base try to be very professional

429
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,840
my husband and I are both Physicians we

430
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:09,120
live Mountainside in Paradise Valley we

431
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:11,520
saw some strange lights appear in front

432
00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:13,260
of South Mountain last night do you have

433
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:15,780
any idea what they might have been

434
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,480
from the get-go she had an attitude and

435
00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:19,679
she said well they didn't come in from

436
00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:21,059
the average place and they didn't come

437
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:22,500
out from here so he had nothing to do

438
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,520
with it

439
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:25,679
I said be that as it may we did see

440
00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:28,020
something I even got pictures of it

441
00:18:31,730 --> 00:18:29,940
um who can I call to find out what they

442
00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:31,740
might be she says well you said it was

443
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:34,140
near South near South Mountain in the

444
00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:35,520
airport so maybe they saw something

445
00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:38,760
there huh now it was a mission which is

446
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:41,580
very unlikely by the way at the time but

447
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,080
I called the FAA and I said the same

448
00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:48,000
thing the operator was really nice and

449
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:50,340
she said well there was a group of air

450
00:18:54,890 --> 00:18:52,740
traffic controllers here last night that

451
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:54,900
did see some strange lights I mean it

452
00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:58,559
was already a buzz about it maybe they

453
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,120
you know maybe they're here this morning

454
00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:02,400
I said please please ask if anybody's

455
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,900
here this morning I would love to speak

456
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:05,760
with someone

457
00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:08,640
finally kept me waiting forever let's

458
00:19:12,409 --> 00:19:10,140
see for five minutes

459
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,419
five minutes this guy who I subsequently

460
00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:14,880
met very low key guy

461
00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:16,500
gets on the phone he said did you see

462
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:18,380
the Six Flags were equal six information

463
00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:21,600
at 8 30 last night he was more excited

464
00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,340
than me I said yes that's why I called

465
00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:25,260
he said we saw three at eight o'clock I

466
00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:27,299
said that's yes I saw them too he said

467
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,400
they three popped up at eight o'clock

468
00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:32,640
over Class B restricted airspace he was

469
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,620
very they were all very forthcoming

470
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:36,840
initially

471
00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:40,320
um about a thousand feet altitude

472
00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:43,080
anyone that comes into that radius of 30

473
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:44,600
miles around the center of the airport

474
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:47,760
must call into the tower especially a

475
00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:49,860
thousand feet that these were no one

476
00:19:53,630 --> 00:19:51,480
called so they got alarmed looked on

477
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:53,640
radar did not show up on radar they

478
00:19:57,310 --> 00:19:54,780
disappeared

479
00:20:00,409 --> 00:19:57,320
when they popped up again six of them

480
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:00,419
massive span over a mile wide

481
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:04,320
at 8 30. they really got alarmed look on

482
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,179
radar didn't show up on radar took their

483
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,640
high-powered binoculars to look and in

484
00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:10,799
their own words there were six points of

485
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:12,539
light totally equidistant from each

486
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:15,780
other a massive span over a mile wide

487
00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:19,080
over Class B restricted airspace that

488
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,179
seemed to be attached to something these

489
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:22,980
lights seem to be attached to something

490
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:26,760
or had a force field in between that was

491
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:29,880
holding them in Rock Solid formation and

492
00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:32,460
he was a meteorologist and said that the

493
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:36,360
entire thing turned as a unit Against

494
00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:39,720
the Wind very significant elevated

495
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,100
slowly in synchrony and then moved as a

496
00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:46,559
unit behind South Mountain so I said so

497
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,020
what was it and there was silence and

498
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,880
then he said beats me I said you're an

499
00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:52,080
air traffic controller you're supposed

500
00:20:56,650 --> 00:20:54,419
to know it's in our airspace they rule

501
00:21:00,610 --> 00:20:56,660
down every conventional aircraft

502
00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:00,620
balloons Chinese lanterns flares even

503
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:03,419
skydivers with lights and we kept in

504
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:06,179
contact I continued photographing these

505
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:10,640
phenomena up and including March 13

506
00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:14,280
1997. let me just follow up on one thing

507
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,780
near Dr London because that's a lot of

508
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:17,760
really fascinating context even before

509
00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:21,059
we get to the mass event in 1997. now

510
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,860
you're you're collecting a lot of data

511
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,480
on your own you've got an interest in

512
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,160
the subject Gathering you're starting to

513
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,320
see these lights in a pretty frequent

514
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,419
basis and you're doing the research

515
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:32,640
you're following this up there's no one

516
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,460
else in the general area taking a same

517
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,440
interest are you hearing about anyone

518
00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,360
seeing the same lights obviously aside

519
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:41,159
from Air Traffic Control and such but

520
00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:43,320
it's a no Scuttle but amongst the

521
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,720
residents or of these lights appearing

522
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:48,000
that's a very good question besides us

523
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:50,280
alerting our neighbors and they saw them

524
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:52,020
too

525
00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:55,380
um another interesting coincidence

526
00:22:04,669 --> 00:22:01,610
I my husband was getting really

527
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,679
frustrated every time the scientist in

528
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:06,179
me and I have to tell you that I

529
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:07,799
approached this whole thing as a

530
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:10,799
scientist trying to be really uh

531
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,320
meticulous with with the data and and

532
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:15,360
credible data

533
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,600
um had I had to run out there every time

534
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,940
they these lights popped up for for days

535
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,700
before the mass sighting and

536
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,280
um I figured okay I maybe there's a

537
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:28,980
logical explanation to this so I started

538
00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:31,080
showing the video to my friends to find

539
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,539
out if anybody knew anyone that was

540
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:36,419
connected to the topic this is how close

541
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,480
I was Andy a friend of a friend had a

542
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,240
neighbor who had a friend who knew the

543
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:44,580
past president of mufon mutual UFO

544
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:47,100
Network which I never heard of before

545
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:51,539
and I called him up and told him that I

546
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:53,640
was seeing these lights which he hadn't

547
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,520
heard of but there were other people not

548
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:58,559
only seeing them but photographing them

549
00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:02,220
too in fact one fella called rufan up to

550
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:05,640
his balcony the night of March 13th

551
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,900
and the mass sighting night and they

552
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,960
captured an arrowhead of five lights all

553
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,640
you have to do is look at that video

554
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:16,799
those lights are attached to something

555
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:19,020
or have a force field holding him in

556
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:20,460
Rock Solid formation so there were

557
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,539
people

558
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,280
to answer your question that we're

559
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,679
seeing them and documenting them on film

560
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:28,559
uh before the mass sighting at any rate

561
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,100
he refers me to a field investigator for

562
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:34,140
the following Wednesday who calls me on

563
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:35,159
Tuesday

564
00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:39,299
to say that the then state director of

565
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,640
mufon wanted to be at that meeting but

566
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,919
his mom had passed on Saturday the

567
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,440
funeral was Wednesday could we postpone

568
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,679
I was like whoa I am so booked for

569
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:51,960
another couple three weeks the only

570
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:54,539
window of opportunity I had was Friday

571
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:57,240
morning at 10 o'clock he said fine

572
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,059
I knock on his door he opens the door

573
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,340
the first thing he says to me is did you

574
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,260
see the mass sighting last night

575
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,240
and I said well I saw something similar

576
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,940
to what I told you I saw it two months

577
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,159
ago in fact I got video of it from

578
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,880
lysine he said great because NBC was

579
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:17,520
coming to interview him in a half an

580
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,059
hour I said whoa I said wait a minute

581
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:23,820
first of all I don't know if it's a hoax

582
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:27,000
or military or whatever but it's not

583
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,940
about me it's never been about me it's

584
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:32,880
about the data I said take a copy of the

585
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,120
video show it to whoever I'm out of here

586
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:38,940
oh and by the way I called the air

587
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:40,679
traffic controllers again this morning

588
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:43,980
the morning after the mass sighting

589
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:46,860
they confirmed it was the same exact

590
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:49,559
phenomena over the same exact location

591
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:52,440
Class B restricted airspace a thousand

592
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,659
feet altitude and

593
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,760
that a couple Pilots called into the

594
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,460
tower to report it in a commercial

595
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:02,460
airline pilot that

596
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:04,020
started screaming what the hell are

597
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,640
these lights over me

598
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,280
and a private pilot on close approach

599
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,039
which we'll get to later which I had no

600
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,280
idea was reporting it while I was

601
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:16,740
filming it we'll get to who that is

602
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,039
later who did not come forward for many

603
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,039
many years I have to say at any rate I

604
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,740
get home that that afternoon

605
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:27,419
sitting in front of my TV I didn't even

606
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,580
know if they would be covering it with

607
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,159
my VCR ready to go

608
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:34,380
you know how they do breaking news on

609
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:38,039
the news stations every news station was

610
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:39,960
showing my video he had given it to

611
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:43,080
everyone which was really exciting

612
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:44,700
because I didn't know what the heck it

613
00:25:50,409 --> 00:25:47,159
was but here people were seeing what we

614
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:50,419
saw and my video is the three end lights

615
00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:55,140
of a giant v or a triangle over a mile

616
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,900
wide by the nine o'clock news a couple

617
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,700
of other videos came forward the

618
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,279
arrowhead and a boomerang really

619
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:04,799
impressive giant Boomerang some of your

620
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,020
audience may have seen that

621
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,960
my video and the arrowhead video were

622
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:12,299
shot before 10 o'clock this will become

623
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:13,620
significant

624
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,020
the boomerang there's two Boomerang

625
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:18,900
videos we're after 10 o'clock

626
00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:24,240
at any rate it was it was uncanny that

627
00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:29,000
I'm learning on March 13th 1997.

628
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,120
that while thousands of people were

629
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,919
staring up at the sky for a glimpse of

630
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:36,600
the halebot comic

631
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,740
they also got a glimpse to one and we

632
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:42,960
just learned from a couple years ago

633
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:46,260
from the director of the National UFO

634
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,940
Reporting Center in Seattle Washington

635
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:50,760
Peter Davenport I thought he was kidding

636
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:53,340
but he received thousands of reports and

637
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,140
drawings and all the illustrations all

638
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:57,659
kinds of things that they're one of

639
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:00,179
these objects whether it was these orbs

640
00:27:08,529 --> 00:27:03,659
that were in Rock Solid formation in

641
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:08,539
v-shape Delta shape Boomerang shape

642
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:12,120
or actual credit and we're talking

643
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:15,059
gunmetal bottoms Windows some people saw

644
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,159
beings at the windows 30 miles an hour

645
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,620
right over people's heads and he said

646
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,679
one of these objects was eight miles

647
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,140
wide I thought he was kidding but he

648
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,200
wasn't I mean he's announced it since

649
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:34,080
and confirms that from his data that

650
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:35,640
he's collected

651
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,299
for 25 years that one of these objects

652
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:41,940
was eight miles wide nonetheless people

653
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,520
are seeing these objects and it wasn't

654
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:47,460
just one or two events

655
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:50,360
that day March 13

656
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:53,340
1997. as you would hear in the media

657
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,820
sure they grabbed on to the 8 to 10 time

658
00:28:00,909 --> 00:27:58,380
period because that's when most people

659
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:00,919
were outside looking up at the sky

660
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,260
seeing something unusual and calling the

661
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,440
news stations and so forth but on March

662
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:08,960
13th

663
00:28:16,269 --> 00:28:13,380
1997 the mass sighting historic Mass

664
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,279
sighting began at 3 pm in the afternoon

665
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:19,260
5 30 there were reports from Native

666
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,460
Americans

667
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:22,740
in New Mexico

668
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,140
seven o'clock hour and Beyond in

669
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,640
California

670
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:28,980
10 o'clock hour there were two

671
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:31,559
commercial airline pilots that called in

672
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,159
to radar to report one of these massive

673
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:38,159
mile wide crafts or Vigor was covering

674
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:39,720
Las Vegas

675
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,559
and the sightings continued until 5 30

676
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,600
the next morning the last report that I

677
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:48,179
received personally was from a Boeing

678
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:52,200
crewman who said that his whole crew is

679
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,640
coming into Sky Harbor International

680
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:56,100
Airport at 5 30 the next morning and one

681
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:58,980
of these massive over mile widecraft was

682
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:01,320
hovering over their tarmac another

683
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:05,700
interesting aside is at 3 AM

684
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:07,380
there was a call

685
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,480
to the National European Reporting

686
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,520
Center by an alleged crewman from Luke

687
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,380
Air Force Base and we have part of that

688
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:15,960
very professional recording in our

689
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,299
documentary so people can be your first

690
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,679
hand

691
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,320
how excited and professional he was

692
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,020
that there was one of these over mile

693
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:27,299
wide crab hovering right over Central

694
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,299
Phoenix at 8 30 that evening

695
00:29:36,049 --> 00:29:32,580
and jets were sent out from Luke Air

696
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:36,059
Force Base to intercept and get gun time

697
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,559
with them which I heard they did I

698
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:38,880
haven't seen it

699
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:42,659
of this object and as they got close

700
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,539
the light started to dim and then the

701
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,520
entire thing blinked out

702
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,260
and disappeared

703
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,320
and not only did Luke Air Force Base go

704
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,240
on lockdown after that which has been

705
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,159
confirmed by other people

706
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,520
but this fella said that he helped one

707
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,960
of the pilots out of his aircraft

708
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:03,299
because he was so shaken off by him

709
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:07,080
now the technology itself not only the

710
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,659
fact that it disappeared okay when it

711
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,700
just got close to it which is like what

712
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:12,960
does that

713
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:17,640
but as people are watching silently

714
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,279
these massive objects right over their

715
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:22,020
heads rooftop level some people said

716
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:23,700
they could have thrown a rock at it it

717
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,039
was so close

718
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:29,159
if you go to the Gap page g-a-p

719
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:33,059
geospatial animation project

720
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:35,940
on the Phoenix Lights Network website

721
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:39,779
it was a 12-year study meticulous study

722
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:42,059
by investigators

723
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:45,659
hundreds of reports that they analyze

724
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,539
two or more people had to see the same

725
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:51,840
craft to be in the study and their

726
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:56,279
conclusion after 12 years was that there

727
00:31:01,789 --> 00:31:00,000
were 10 different crap now whether it

728
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,799
was one class that could morph into

729
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:03,240
looking different

730
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:05,159
the perspective from where the person

731
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,539
was standing

732
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,220
for a parade

733
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,620
which is ultimately what they concluded

734
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,140
because there were multiple things

735
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,320
happening in multiple locations in four

736
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:18,799
different states over a dozen hours

737
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:22,799
we're talking about a massive parade on

738
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,179
March 13 1997 of incredible objects now

739
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,700
one of the pictures we'll show you that

740
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:31,980
one of the crafts split into and shot

741
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,159
straight up other people reported that

742
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,679
these orbs detach from the main object

743
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,159
when added to the environment and then

744
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:42,600
redocked with it later which is

745
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:44,580
interesting

746
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,360
again going back to the hard data if you

747
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,299
look at the pictures from 95 and there's

748
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,480
another story to tell if we have time

749
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,039
you'll see

750
00:32:02,750 --> 00:31:59,640
that the same exact phenomenon in an

751
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,760
equidistant line is in the same location

752
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,360
at a distance

753
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,919
disappearing when my husband and I are

754
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,620
focused on the clothes Lords in the

755
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,080
first picture there are four lights in a

756
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,320
row the clothes lights actually moved

757
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,240
and we'll get to that in the last

758
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:20,580
picture there are two lights in the same

759
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,159
location at a distance so

760
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:26,760
the same exact phenomena was there in 95

761
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,179
as I also photographed two months before

762
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:32,159
the mass sighting during the mass

763
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,960
sighting and then after the mass

764
00:32:37,510 --> 00:32:35,700
sighting they continued

765
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:37,520
but anyway

766
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,720
the technology itself was mind-boggling

767
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:44,399
also which is really significant and we

768
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,919
are doing a big big scientific study

769
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,960
right now if people want to get on the

770
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,600
Phoenix Lights Network website whether

771
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:53,940
you saw the Phoenix Lights or not you're

772
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,340
listening about it and I've had people

773
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,960
worldwide tell me that the Phoenix

774
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:00,059
Lights has affected them at a deep level

775
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,580
even though they never saw it but just

776
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:04,500
learning about it and really and reading

777
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:07,380
my book and watching the documentary and

778
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:11,940
just watching this uh podcast

779
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:13,980
um that really sunk in the Phoenix

780
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,919
Lights really affected people in real

781
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,880
time

782
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:19,919
and long term if you go to the Phoenix

783
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,860
Lights Network website at the landing

784
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:24,720
page there's a triangle and right

785
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,220
underneath the triangle there's a link

786
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,080
it goes to a questionnaire that's

787
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,899
totally Anonymous and confidential and I

788
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,880
welcome people to go there and I we've

789
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,880
had over almost 500 people in less than

790
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,399
a month and a half go there because so

791
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:40,080
many people have been affected by the

792
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:41,820
Phoenix Lights and other similar

793
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,100
phenomenon you don't have to just talk

794
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:45,840
about the Phoenix Lights but at any rate

795
00:33:51,009 --> 00:33:48,960
I I welcome people to do that

796
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,019
um can I ask

797
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,179
can I just ask a quick question on on

798
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,679
the event itself because that's really

799
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,360
interesting like you say that there were

800
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,100
four states where there were sightings

801
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,740
across that day and into the evening and

802
00:34:06,909 --> 00:34:03,299
I also just had somebody tell me that

803
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:06,919
they saw it in Texas as well so you know

804
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:09,960
many years later but they saw it on

805
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:13,080
March 13 1995 the same phenomena yeah if

806
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:14,760
these objects are as large as they are

807
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,139
it would make sense wouldn't it that

808
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,060
you're going to see it from from greater

809
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,159
distances as well what I'd like to know

810
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:23,159
though is of of those two main sightings

811
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:24,599
that everyone knows about which happened

812
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:28,500
8 30 and then and then 10 p.m can you

813
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,179
just go into the detail and distinguish

814
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,460
what was the first sighting that caught

815
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,960
people's attention and then what

816
00:34:37,629 --> 00:34:35,580
happened for the second sighting that

817
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:37,639
evening

818
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:40,260
okay you're separating it into two

819
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,879
events right just like the media says

820
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,560
yeah yeah I'm gonna get I'm gonna get to

821
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,119
that okay good

822
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,300
Ness and disinformation okay okay and

823
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,159
I'll show you why I'm just going to tell

824
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,720
you the facts not trying to convince

825
00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:56,339
anybody of anything

826
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,260
um that but as the story unfolds it

827
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,080
which is really interesting

828
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,119
here people are seeing this right above

829
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,339
their heads okay I had no idea at the

830
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:07,320
time that it was four states I mean I

831
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,520
just knew that it went throughout

832
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,280
Arizona and the thousands of people saw

833
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,700
what I had been seeing and I'm learning

834
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:16,079
a week later

835
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,380
that because it was amazing the next

836
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:22,440
Tuesday I see my video on on the news

837
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,619
again and they're interviewing a fella

838
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,560
right here in Tempe which is where

839
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,000
Arizona state is the Trade Center

840
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:33,000
Arizona state had a huge

841
00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:36,599
computer lab and on the side he had been

842
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:41,960
analyzing pictures and video of UAP UFOs

843
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:44,579
worldwide for like 20 years at the time

844
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,099
and he was showing pictures on the news

845
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:50,040
of these ores in Triangle formation from

846
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,540
UK from Belgium from Russia from all

847
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,099
over the world that was the first I

848
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,839
heard about it I did not know anything

849
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:00,540
about this topic and it blew me away I

850
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:02,040
thought oh my goodness this is happening

851
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:05,700
worldwide I had no idea from that day on

852
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,820
I pushed my whole medical career aside

853
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:10,800
to try to find a logical explanation

854
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,280
kept an intricate journal every day of

855
00:36:18,609 --> 00:36:17,280
media reports witness reports I started

856
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:18,619
finding the history

857
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,480
mind-boggling I had no idea that these

858
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:23,400
same phenomenon

859
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:25,980
have been showing up for centuries

860
00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:30,180
the uh in Sumerian writings and and uh

861
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:32,119
India writings and even the Bible

862
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,260
ezekiel's wheel they you know

863
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:36,900
interpreted these things certain ways at

864
00:36:44,589 --> 00:36:38,900
the time you fast forward

865
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:44,599
to the 1800s 100 years before ours 1897

866
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,200
in April around the same time

867
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,119
in a number of states in Kansas and

868
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:53,220
California and

869
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:56,420
um Washington and even Canada they were

870
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,180
saying and Reporting in the newspaper

871
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:03,480
these massive airships with removable

872
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,380
like sound familiar okay this was six

873
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:09,359
years before the Wright brothers took

874
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,500
flight

875
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,200
and then you fast forward again

876
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:16,079
World War II and I'm going over a lot of

877
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,119
other ones but these are these are big

878
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:20,579
ones because in World War II what they

879
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,700
called Foo Fighters

880
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:25,920
buyer and French and not the not the

881
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,119
band these were orbs that were traveling

882
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,060
in groups of twos and threes around the

883
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:35,040
different aircraft from

884
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:38,579
after the the uh World War II uh Germany

885
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,140
and Japan United States were all looking

886
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,180
for who had this Advanced spy technology

887
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,220
everybody thought it was spy technology

888
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:47,040
nobody could find out who had this

889
00:37:52,089 --> 00:37:49,800
and then you fast forward again and we

890
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:52,099
have in the late 80s and early 90s

891
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,140
Hudson Valley New York

892
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,900
um Belgium which is really an example of

893
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,480
what should happen they were very open

894
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:03,480
about their sightings and

895
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,180
um I Heard over and over again they they

896
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:08,940
uh describe them as otherworldly

897
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:11,460
worldwide other countries as well but

898
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,220
Belgium came together with the military

899
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:17,160
and scientists and universities and

900
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:20,520
government and civilians to try to find

901
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:21,300
out

902
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:22,980
to really investigate these things

903
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:25,079
that's what should happen Okay and

904
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,940
hopefully that's what's really happening

905
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,280
here as well it's about time

906
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,440
but at any rate

907
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,200
um and then you fast forward again and

908
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,720
you not only have the Phoenix Lights but

909
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,660
you have uh worldwide these things are

910
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,280
happening so here I'm keeping an

911
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:43,680
intricate Journal wondering what's going

912
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:47,940
on and there was no investigation

913
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,460
no explanation at all

914
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,040
like a lid would put on it it was

915
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,680
uncanny I mean we're talking thousand

916
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,480
over ten thousand I'm I'm probably

917
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,640
thinking probably closer to twenty

918
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,740
thousand people saw this

919
00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:04,260
it was a very clear night and thousands

920
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:05,579
of people were outside looking up at

921
00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:07,619
this guy with the held off common

922
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:10,099
and there's nothing

923
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:14,099
maycombs and a councilwoman Phoenix vice

924
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:15,000
mayor

925
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:16,740
did not see it

926
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:19,079
Francis borrowed but so many of her

927
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,760
hundreds of her constituents were

928
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:22,260
calling are asking why isn't their

929
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:23,900
investigation

930
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,700
innocently ask for one in a council

931
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,680
meeting and she was plastered to the

932
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:30,839
wall with jokes in the paper and

933
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,480
ridicule and you know little green men

934
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,520
and the whole thing I mean it was it was

935
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:37,740
really horrifying at the time in 97

936
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:40,020
there was so much ridicule and

937
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:43,800
snickering and discrediting happening I

938
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:46,380
was very content to stay Anonymous and

939
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,359
just do my homework okay which I

940
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:50,099
continued to do

941
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,200
at any rate

942
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:54,839
fast forward again

943
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:58,440
June 18th for whatever reason front page

944
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,040
USA Today article for the first time

945
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,500
people outside of Arizona were hearing

946
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,200
about our Mass sighting they really kept

947
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,599
a lid on it okay and people were afraid

948
00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:11,460
to come forward because of the ridicule

949
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:13,460
as well

950
00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:16,500
overnight and Andy we didn't have social

951
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:18,440
media at the time

952
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:21,540
overnight it went viral by the next

953
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:22,920
morning

954
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,000
every National Morning Show in across

955
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:29,400
the United States Peter Jennings Dan

956
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:32,460
Rather you name it were talking about

957
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:35,339
the Phoenix Lights in fact

958
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:37,380
we had news people from all over the

959
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:40,200
world come here and once they started

960
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,820
talking to the witnesses their

961
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:44,880
descriptions were so detailed and so

962
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,940
heartfelt that they too were saying why

963
00:40:51,609 --> 00:40:50,040
isn't there an investigation why isn't

964
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:51,619
there an explanation

965
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:55,020
that furry morning late morning for the

966
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,280
first time

967
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:58,800
our former Governor Simonton announces

968
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:01,619
publicly that he's having an unscheduled

969
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,380
press conference for that afternoon to

970
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:07,200
divulge the culprit of the whites over

971
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,040
Phoenix and people took it seriously in

972
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,720
fact at the press conference there were

973
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:13,980
parents

974
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,960
as well as reporters

975
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,200
he comes marching out one of his aides

976
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,560
and a giant alien head costume and made

977
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,300
a mockery of it

978
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:26,880
and he said people were panicked no

979
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,460
people worried about it

980
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,920
they were panicking because now it was

981
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,359
out in the back

982
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,000
we're hearing about

983
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,280
because there was not one we'll get to

984
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:39,900
how it affected people

985
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,599
in real time and long term there was not

986
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,900
one not one credible report to date 25

987
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:48,000
years later a farm threat or abduction

988
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:49,560
associated with the Phoenix Lights

989
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:52,619
phenomena quite the opposite people were

990
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,839
in awe and wonder and I started people

991
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:57,119
telling me they feel blessed to have had

992
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:59,220
the experience if we have time we'll get

993
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:01,140
into that because that's a really

994
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,060
intriguing aspect of the whole Phoenix

995
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,060
Lights phenomena but nonetheless

996
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,119
the audience laughed initially and then

997
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:11,220
they asked to turn off the cameras I had

998
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:12,540
someone that was there telling me that

999
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,540
afterwards they were ticked off not only

1000
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:17,160
the

1001
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:25,200
two and three malls wide and he's making

1002
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:28,440
a joke out of it but again it put a lid

1003
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:29,400
on it

1004
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:33,560
and weeks passed during those weeks

1005
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,599
did not sit well with me either I wanted

1006
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:38,220
to get to the bottom of it so I started

1007
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,640
calling military bases never told them

1008
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,160
what I have just that I had witnessed

1009
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,839
and photographed these UAP

1010
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,460
and they were more interested in seeing

1011
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:52,380
what I had documented than giving an

1012
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:54,060
explanation they were just as curious in

1013
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:55,260
fact I have some of their conversations

1014
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,380
in my book which were comical one higher

1015
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,060
up said well

1016
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,980
um the only ones that know who did this

1017
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:04,680
were God and whoever did this

1018
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:07,800
what okay

1019
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,740
um which was amazing to me I mean they

1020
00:43:14,569 --> 00:43:13,319
you know they just they wanted to meet

1021
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:14,579
with me and there was no way that was

1022
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:18,180
happening a month later on July 24th I

1023
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,319
get a call

1024
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:21,359
from one of the heads of PR at the Air

1025
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:23,160
National Guard and she says oh Dr Lynn I

1026
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,300
think we know what those lights were

1027
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:26,099
back in March and I was thrilled again I

1028
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,980
was looking for any logical explanation

1029
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:31,380
she says do you believe that in all

1030
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:32,579
these months

1031
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,780
no one ever looked at the log for Air

1032
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,119
National Guard and the Maryland Air

1033
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,520
National Guard was in town sending off

1034
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,160
military illumination flares in

1035
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,220
operation Snowbird which I later found

1036
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:49,440
out that in military terms means

1037
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:53,099
diversionary tactical maneuvers so they

1038
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,839
very well might have been sending off

1039
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,119
layers to diver attention away from the

1040
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,599
two unknowns without one person not one

1041
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:01,800
person

1042
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,740
that described what flares do because I

1043
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,020
said to her wait a minute

1044
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,420
when was the Maryland Air National Guard

1045
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,880
in town she said March 1st to the 15th I

1046
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,040
said were they in town in January she

1047
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:16,440
said oh no I said are you sure she said

1048
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,940
absolutely not

1049
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:21,000
I said well my husband and I witnessed

1050
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:23,099
the same exact phenomena in the same

1051
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,900
exact location two months before the

1052
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:26,760
mass I didn't confirmed the next morning

1053
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,339
in January and the morning after the

1054
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,800
mass sighting as appearing over Class B

1055
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,480
restricted airspace the thousand feet

1056
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:35,760
altitude and she says you never told me

1057
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:38,819
that they never told details and I said

1058
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,740
besides you're trying to tell me that

1059
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:43,319
flares and I had educated myself to

1060
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,780
military elimination players

1061
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,960
that drift and drop on parachutes from

1062
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,839
aircraft haphazardly With the Wind

1063
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,000
cannot keep affirmation for more than a

1064
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,640
couple seconds if that have huge smoke

1065
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,280
trails that are illuminated by the flare

1066
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,500
itself and are meant to illuminate the

1067
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:03,119
area around it anyone there that has

1068
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,460
seen the new movie Maverick from Top Gun

1069
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,160
they have to send I loved it they happen

1070
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:11,280
to send off flares just as they do and

1071
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:13,020
they're they're all over the place I

1072
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:15,000
mean it's just okay

1073
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,740
and I said to her

1074
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,780
so you're trying to tell me that flares

1075
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:22,079
like cannot keep an affirmation Traverse

1076
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:24,980
the entire state in a rock solid

1077
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:28,200
equidistantly spaced mile wide V for

1078
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:29,640
hours

1079
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:33,060
and she says uh I have a call coming in

1080
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,500
I'll get back to you while I'm still

1081
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:36,900
waiting in here

1082
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:39,180
25 years later anyway

1083
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,020
that really you know is like what I mean

1084
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,180
what is going on here and I can

1085
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,460
understand okay it was brilliant

1086
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,440
actually whoever came up with that

1087
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:51,240
explanation they had to come up with

1088
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:54,060
something because after the USA Today

1089
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:57,000
article and like I said it went viral

1090
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:59,819
the cat was out of the back people from

1091
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,140
all over the world were talking about

1092
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:02,640
the Phoenix Lights and wanting to know

1093
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,500
what was going on

1094
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,660
the only hard evidence they had there's

1095
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,460
one earlier video

1096
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,920
of a video okay

1097
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,420
and a lot of people say well why aren't

1098
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:15,300
there more pictures and video

1099
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:18,900
in the day in 97 we had those clunky

1100
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,300
cell phones that did not I mean clunky

1101
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,819
uh cell phones did not have cameras in

1102
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,400
them okay and who carries around a

1103
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,859
camera but a few people did okay because

1104
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,260
of the help of comet and they tried to

1105
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,839
take pictures of these massive crap to

1106
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,240
block out the Stars the picture turned

1107
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:39,359
out black okay so the only hard evidence

1108
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:43,260
that they had to discredit were the

1109
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:46,260
handful of videos

1110
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:50,099
one of them being mine right and whoever

1111
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,420
came up with the flare thing was

1112
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,920
brilliant because

1113
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:55,020
in video as I mentioned earlier they're

1114
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:56,520
much smaller they're white they flicker

1115
00:47:01,970 --> 00:47:00,060
but if you study them the formations are

1116
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:01,980
compelling but you could mistake them

1117
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:05,240
for something else including Flair okay

1118
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,599
so we get so the next morning the

1119
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,460
headlines is that the Phoenix Lights

1120
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:13,980
were flares that was it

1121
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,500
and like I said nobody described what

1122
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,180
flares do

1123
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:20,160
especially the people who saw the true

1124
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:21,300
unknowns

1125
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:22,619
okay

1126
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,359
three years later

1127
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:27,000
when I'm fast forwarding though

1128
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,740
because there's a lot more to this story

1129
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:30,240
but

1130
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:33,420
Francis barwood was now running the vice

1131
00:47:40,089 --> 00:47:37,560
mayor of Phoenix for Secretary of State

1132
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:40,099
to get answers for the Phoenix Lights

1133
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,800
and brilliantly asking for a reenactment

1134
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:45,960
if it was military

1135
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,400
show us do it again which is reasonable

1136
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:51,599
and logical

1137
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,900
even though shame on them for denying it

1138
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:57,300
for months and then coming up with the

1139
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:59,099
first you know because the flare thing

1140
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,599
by the way

1141
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,280
um Luke Air Force Base was saying one

1142
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:04,500
thing David Martins was saying that they

1143
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,060
you know left the mail on their way to

1144
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,520
Davis I mean they couldn't get their

1145
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,440
stories straight anyway they're not the

1146
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:11,880
flare things

1147
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:16,800
but hey if it was flares do it again

1148
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,619
right before the third anniversary of

1149
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:22,319
the mass site in 2000

1150
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,300
they announced publicly a big

1151
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,160
announcement on the radio and TV news

1152
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:28,380
that three Air National Guards were

1153
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,880
coming into town I believe it was New

1154
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:31,859
York Michigan and California

1155
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,280
to show everyone in the Phoenix Lights

1156
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:37,740
and we were ready for them

1157
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:41,099
it talk about a joke

1158
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,040
if you go on the news page scroll down a

1159
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,260
little bit to where it's a block that

1160
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,900
says AZ family which was a CNN affiliate

1161
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:49,920
at the time

1162
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,099
you will see what they tried to do they

1163
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,140
tried to make a triangle it was upside

1164
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:57,660
down it fell apart immediately one of

1165
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:00,660
them just fizzes out immediately in huge

1166
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,300
smoke Trails just what flares do

1167
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:06,000
to this day the Phoenix Lights have

1168
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:08,099
never been recreated

1169
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,359
or explained but they continue to appear

1170
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,220
worldwide

1171
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,000
now what's also interesting is that

1172
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,099
right after the 10th anniversary for

1173
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:22,319
whatever reason

1174
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:25,560
former Governor five Simonton

1175
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:29,040
who mocked the sighting in 97 came

1176
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,260
forward bravely

1177
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:34,319
to divulge that he actually witnessed

1178
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,980
one of these mile-wide crafts and in his

1179
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:40,859
own estimation as a military awarded

1180
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,980
pilot it definitely wasn't players he

1181
00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:45,180
saw a craft

1182
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:47,339
and in his own words again which you

1183
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:48,780
would hear worldwide from different

1184
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,319
countries it was other worldly

1185
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,900
which was a huge step forward the more

1186
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,880
credible people that come forward and

1187
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:58,380
that was one of the reasons I did come

1188
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,780
forward which we'll get to after seven

1189
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:03,000
years of anonymity

1190
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,240
but right after also in 2017 there was a

1191
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:12,079
front page New York Times article

1192
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:15,960
divulging that Harry Reid one of the

1193
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:18,300
Senators here had funded a 22 million

1194
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,859
dollar study

1195
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:22,800
with the Pentagon

1196
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:27,900
of UFOs with military and government

1197
00:50:34,030 --> 00:50:30,920
and now the cat really was outside

1198
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,040
because they were admitting even though

1199
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:36,240
insiders know that they've been studying

1200
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,720
a percent for decades but here they were

1201
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:41,040
admitting that they were actually

1202
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:42,300
studying something that was

1203
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:46,020
unexplainable right after that the pilot

1204
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:48,300
that I had mentioned earlier the Private

1205
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:52,440
Pilot who on approach called the uh air

1206
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,740
traffic control to report this V of six

1207
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,260
lights right in front of them

1208
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:01,920
none other than actor Kurt Russell

1209
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,480
yeah because I realized after I watched

1210
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,220
some of his interviews and one of them

1211
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:10,319
UK interview which is a fabulous

1212
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:13,319
interview is on our website the news

1213
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,940
page and I think it's on the home page

1214
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:16,319
as well if people want to take a look at

1215
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,619
it terrific uh and and talks about a lot

1216
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,780
more which we'll get to

1217
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,000
um of of what happened to him himself

1218
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:26,339
but which also happened to other

1219
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:28,500
Witnesses but

1220
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,040
the fact that he came forward

1221
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,599
um it's such a big plus I mean the more

1222
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:35,819
credible people to come forward uh the

1223
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,339
more credibility is Lent to the sighting

1224
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:42,720
itself now the story continues to evolve

1225
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,980
in fact

1226
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,359
um my book is in its fourth print

1227
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:48,839
because I I squeezed ultimately after

1228
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:51,780
seven years of keeping an intricate

1229
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:52,940
Journal

1230
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,359
750 Pages later of such credible data

1231
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,000
that what do you do with that I mean

1232
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:02,220
here I I was not only a scientist trying

1233
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,460
to be meticulous with the data but as a

1234
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:07,740
physician to let people know even though

1235
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,160
most anomalies can be explained only a

1236
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,260
small percentage cannot but just because

1237
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,839
we don't have the technology yet to

1238
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:17,760
definitively Define what these things

1239
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,460
are it doesn't mean they're not real I

1240
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,020
mean they just be looking on the am dial

1241
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:24,839
for an FM frequency so as a physician I

1242
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,720
needed to let people know that they're

1243
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,000
not alone they're not alone even if it

1244
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,920
can be explained when people have a

1245
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:34,140
paranormal experience it's real to them

1246
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:36,420
and if they don't share it and I always

1247
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,960
welcome people to uh message me on

1248
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:41,160
Facebook we have the Phoenix Lights

1249
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:44,579
Network page on Facebook or through the

1250
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,460
um website right at the top of the home

1251
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,619
page there's a link where they can just

1252
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,240
go right to it to me and share because

1253
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:53,640
sharing with one person just one person

1254
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,420
is cathartic it's healing and certainly

1255
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,640
as a physician and as an experiencer

1256
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:00,720
myself

1257
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,480
I know what that feels like and as an

1258
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,300
educator Andy what do you do with it I

1259
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,880
had a 750 page Journal plus pictures

1260
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,760
that I've gone to extremely 35

1261
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,359
millimeter in the negative extremely to

1262
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,400
have explained to me at University and

1263
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:20,880
Military level and no one no one can

1264
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:23,700
tell me what I photographed only what I

1265
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,339
didn't photograph they are true unknowns

1266
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,920
and in good conscience after lots of

1267
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,839
soul searching because I did not want to

1268
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,220
come forward

1269
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,980
I actually went back to work

1270
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:37,260
as Chief clinical consultant you

1271
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:39,480
mentioned at the top of the wellness and

1272
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:40,920
imaging center at the Arizona Heart

1273
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,800
Institute nobody knew what I was doing I

1274
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,839
took that 750 page journal in a little

1275
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,000
cubby office that I had and in between

1276
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:51,000
patients I was squeezing it down to the

1277
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:54,200
best most credible data that I had found

1278
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:59,040
and ultimately the 230 Pages

1279
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,140
um I just couldn't stick it in a drawer

1280
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:04,380
and I thought you know what not only the

1281
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,540
data to set the record straight about

1282
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,660
the Phoenix Lights but half the book

1283
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:12,359
is about how it affected people

1284
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:16,440
and in real time and long term and if I

1285
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,700
can get into that do you have a question

1286
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,200
or anything you wanted to ask at this

1287
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:22,079
point I was going to ask you to to ask

1288
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:24,059
you to talk about that approach and the

1289
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,660
human effect of it um

1290
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,220
you were with Ryan Sprague recently on

1291
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,200
CW and we'll get to that and miss these

1292
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,119
decoded but Ryan Spriggs got a very good

1293
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,339
book from a summer in the skies podcast

1294
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,400
about the human approach and the effect

1295
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:40,920
on humans of the UFO subject so yeah

1296
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:42,500
please talk about that

1297
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,660
well first of all we've ruled out flares

1298
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,640
so anybody that hones in on the flare

1299
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,160
Theory like I said

1300
00:54:55,069 --> 00:54:52,260
um without looking at the data that they

1301
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,079
try to reenact it with players and they

1302
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,400
failed

1303
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:59,460
um there is no there is no

1304
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:00,920
it is

1305
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:03,839
data that confirms that it was flares

1306
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,339
okay we didn't even know if they set off

1307
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:06,720
flares because we don't have one person

1308
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,420
that saw that okay they may have sent

1309
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,480
off layers so push that aside how it

1310
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:14,040
affected people

1311
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:17,220
is so profound that doesn't happen with

1312
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:19,559
planes and helicopters and flares okay

1313
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,859
in real time now we're so inundated with

1314
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,680
threat threat threat and harm harm from

1315
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,440
um the news media in Hollywood

1316
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,720
um that Dr Gary Schwartz who's in the

1317
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:32,339
documentary head of the Consciousness

1318
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:33,900
study department at the University of

1319
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:36,420
Arizona makes a very poignant statement

1320
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:40,640
he says if you're inundated with

1321
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:43,800
data that to to fear something how do

1322
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:45,000
you think you're going to feel when you

1323
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,880
see that something right so in the movie

1324
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:49,920
Independence Day was very popular six

1325
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:52,680
months before the mass sighting

1326
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,800
and children who were usually the first

1327
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,960
ones including

1328
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,280
um uh

1329
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,800
Kurt Russell's son was the first one to

1330
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,960
see the V and alert him about it we're

1331
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:05,280
jumping up and down Independence Day

1332
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:08,760
independence day but as it got close a

1333
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,980
calmness came over everyone adults and

1334
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,260
children alike a connectedness to the

1335
00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:16,079
phenomena that as it passed over they

1336
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:18,059
wanted to chase after it or get in the

1337
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:22,980
car and and cut just chase after it and

1338
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,460
so in real time it affected people at a

1339
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:29,280
very deep level like I said not one

1340
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,559
person was threat felt threatened or

1341
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,839
harmed or scared

1342
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:36,660
it was the opposite people were in awe

1343
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,680
and and wonder and and just curious then

1344
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:42,960
you then in the long term people went

1345
00:56:48,910 --> 00:56:45,540
into the environmental movement into the

1346
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:48,920
peace movement it changed people forever

1347
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:51,660
whoever did this and I don't know who

1348
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,300
did it I just know that someone did it

1349
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,119
that really profoundly affected people

1350
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,280
at a very deep level

1351
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:01,680
in real time and long term and we're

1352
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,900
quantifying that now with our study so I

1353
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:06,240
welcome the people uh we'll take a look

1354
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:09,660
at that but it changed people's lives

1355
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,740
forever

1356
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,260
not only that a number of people share

1357
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,940
with me a number of witnesses Phoenix

1358
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:16,440
Lights witnesses that they had a

1359
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,020
near-death experiences as children that

1360
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:21,119
was reawakened by the mass sighting and

1361
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:22,740
that really hit me hard because I did

1362
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,880
too

1363
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:25,680
and I let it all out there in the book

1364
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:29,520
that's a whole another hour but

1365
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:31,800
I figured it's important to share that

1366
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:35,160
data as well and started thinking

1367
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:36,300
wait

1368
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,720
could there be a connection between all

1369
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:41,160
unexplained phenomena whether it's

1370
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:43,140
near-death experience Out of Body

1371
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:45,240
Experience unexplained aerial phenomena

1372
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,880
that have a mystical light associated

1373
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,880
with the experience and lo and behold I

1374
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,980
started finding such credible data just

1375
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,440
like I did with the UFO phenomena

1376
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:58,079
at University level the Omega project

1377
00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:00,780
like this thick from Dr Kenneth ring at

1378
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:02,940
University of Connecticut Dr John Mack

1379
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:05,880
at uh Harvard University actually wanted

1380
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,800
to work with me because he was finding

1381
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:08,880
the same

1382
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,339
findings that

1383
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,440
people that have an unexplained

1384
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,599
phenomenon not only is it very similar

1385
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,520
whatever the unexplained phenomena I

1386
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:19,619
started calling them a u p and up

1387
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,160
because the after effect is so positive

1388
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,520
The Awakening the enlightenment the

1389
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:29,040
connectiveness that one feels

1390
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,980
after a true up experience to the

1391
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,900
universe and to the Earth and to each

1392
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:35,640
other that they probably never felt

1393
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:39,540
before that changes people forever and I

1394
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:42,420
and it's so I certainly I get into this

1395
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:45,839
in the book but now we're finding from

1396
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:48,119
our survey that it's even more profound

1397
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:50,040
and riveting than we even thought I

1398
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,859
can't wait to release that data but

1399
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:56,400
nonetheless it's really important

1400
00:59:03,710 --> 00:58:59,940
to address that aspect push aside the

1401
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:03,720
flare thing the the technology itself we

1402
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,180
have not seen at all worldwide and

1403
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,339
wouldn't you think that if we had this

1404
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:10,559
kind of technology that thousands of

1405
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,180
people described right over their heads

1406
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:14,880
okay that we would have shown our

1407
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:17,640
prowess to the rest of the world it's

1408
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,040
overcarious right now

1409
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:22,079
um or if somebody else had it they would

1410
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,740
have showed it but nobody has okay so

1411
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,200
the whole story of the Phoenix Lights is

1412
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,180
really really profound and there's so

1413
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:31,920
much more to the story there's a number

1414
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,460
of paranormal uh activities that

1415
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,859
happened after the mass sighting uh

1416
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:39,720
certainly my own near-death experience

1417
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,359
and um how it affected other people is

1418
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,119
so important and the message the most

1419
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,520
important message of the Phoenix Lights

1420
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:49,619
and it's not only the Phoenix Lights

1421
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:51,480
people are coming back from all up

1422
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,280
experiences including near-death

1423
00:59:58,990 --> 00:59:56,099
experiences with the same message

1424
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,000
whoever is out there in other dimensions

1425
01:00:03,530 --> 01:00:01,799
Time Travelers inner disteller or

1426
01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:03,540
interdimensional

1427
01:00:06,829 --> 01:00:06,059
they are giving the same message to wake

1428
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:06,839
up

1429
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,000
to what you're doing to your to your

1430
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,079
Earth to your planet and to yourselves

1431
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:14,640
before it's too late

1432
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,859
and if that's not an important message

1433
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:20,160
to relay and I do hope people take heat

1434
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:22,980
of that another really important

1435
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:25,859
ingredient in all this if I can go back

1436
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:28,680
if we have time yeah six months another

1437
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:31,260
little coincidence six months before the

1438
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:32,460
mass saying

1439
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,400
I was invited to present my Substance

1440
01:00:40,609 --> 01:00:37,920
Abuse Prevention education program at

1441
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:40,619
the heel of ngila Gila Bend Indian

1442
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,260
Reservation that happens to be in the

1443
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:45,119
Basin between South Mountain and the

1444
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,220
Estrella Mountain range in there very

1445
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,260
sacred ground and they don't talk to

1446
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,020
Outsiders but I helped them out and I

1447
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:53,599
noticed again

1448
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,059
data speaks for itself that

1449
01:01:01,370 --> 01:01:00,180
from my pictures these phenomena seem to

1450
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,380
pop up

1451
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:03,540
in the same location if you look at that

1452
01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:05,460
first picture on the photo page you'll

1453
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:08,099
see a car with lights that reflect onto

1454
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:10,140
the road very unlike the true unknowns

1455
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,180
that are self-contained you'll also see

1456
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:14,400
house lights a stream of house lights to

1457
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:16,619
the right of that car which if you look

1458
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,359
directly up you'll see where South

1459
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:20,640
Mountain and the Estrellas intersect it

1460
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,260
was the perfect topography because

1461
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:24,480
you'll see at night that these phenomena

1462
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,819
keep popping up in that area so I called

1463
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,559
up the principal and I said did anybody

1464
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,200
see strange lights on March 13th and he

1465
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:33,660
started to giggle I said is that funny

1466
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:35,099
and he said are you kidding you've been

1467
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:37,020
looking up at them for centuries we call

1468
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:39,900
them Sky people light beings I had no

1469
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,200
idea that native cultures worldwide

1470
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,599
indigenous cultures worldwide are much

1471
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:48,299
more open to these intelligences not

1472
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,960
only being out there but visiting us and

1473
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:54,000
what he described first of all he said

1474
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:55,500
these orbs

1475
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,020
many indigenous cultures in the Hopi

1476
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:00,000
right here in Arizona have protocols to

1477
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:02,520
invite these intelligences in they're

1478
01:02:08,809 --> 01:02:05,160
very welcomed and they're not scared of

1479
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:08,819
them they they invite them in and feel

1480
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:11,880
that many of these orbs are spirit world

1481
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,640
or ancestors coming to give them

1482
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,740
guidance and comfort and knowledge and

1483
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,960
inspiration and I have to admit I and

1484
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:21,119
the I would have never chosen this topic

1485
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:23,220
so I've certainly been inspired and as

1486
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,540
you can tell I'm a little passionate

1487
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:26,880
about it I apologize but

1488
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:29,460
um I I can't help it it's exciting and

1489
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,339
especially to learn that that's how the

1490
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:34,440
Australia's got its name it means star

1491
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:37,680
in Spanish gateway to the stars and they

1492
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,260
believe in that area that there is a

1493
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:42,960
gateway or portal in that area and again

1494
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,200
if you just look at my photo data over

1495
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:47,760
and over again these but I'll keep

1496
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:50,760
popping up in the same location so that

1497
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,619
was another little coincidence just six

1498
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:54,599
months before the mess I had that

1499
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,180
experience was able to to learn about

1500
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,119
that aspect that native cultures are so

1501
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:02,400
much more open to these other

1502
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:05,400
intelligences than we've been and and

1503
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,280
how important it is to acknowledge our

1504
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:10,980
planet and appreciate what we have on

1505
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:13,680
this Earth one of the frustrations of

1506
01:03:17,089 --> 01:03:15,780
this event for me Dr Lynn and it's as

1507
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:17,099
one of my favorites and I've said that

1508
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,559
many times on the podcast as it came at

1509
01:03:24,049 --> 01:03:22,140
a time where technology was advancing

1510
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,059
like you mentioned people were starting

1511
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:25,920
to have mobile phones but they certainly

1512
01:03:31,609 --> 01:03:28,440
weren't the devices that we have now

1513
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,619
any cameras were still quite big candy

1514
01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:33,599
cams we didn't have little little small

1515
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,220
ones yet they were still pretty large in

1516
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:36,960
the mid 90s there was no social media

1517
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,240
there was no Facebook uh I don't even

1518
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:41,280
think we've got text messaging just yet

1519
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:44,880
in 97 that's probably still a year off

1520
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,380
um even then it was a couple of years

1521
01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:48,000
before it was widespread

1522
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:50,579
now actually just to interject real

1523
01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:53,040
quick the Phoenix Lights was the first

1524
01:03:59,329 --> 01:03:56,280
mass sighting that was talked about in

1525
01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,339
chat rooms right okay so you've got the

1526
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:01,740
AOL probably for many people was the the

1527
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:03,540
internet service people may have had or

1528
01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:07,380
whatever else compuservers around and it

1529
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:09,500
happened at a time when it probably just

1530
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:12,359
missed being even bigger than it was

1531
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:14,040
like you say it took three months before

1532
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,619
it became world news whereas now that

1533
01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:18,420
would be news within minutes

1534
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,000
do you think that's just pure you say

1535
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,559
you don't know believing coincidencies

1536
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,440
but we were just away from this being a

1537
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:28,079
much much bigger worldwide event that it

1538
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:30,540
still seemed pretty concentrated for

1539
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:33,180
just that Locale and the the tens of

1540
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:34,500
thousands of people who saw it over

1541
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:37,680
Tucson uh over Phoenix Arizona sorry

1542
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:39,960
how do you feel that plays into it was

1543
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,420
it deliberate was that a synchronicity

1544
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,180
was that a coincidence

1545
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,240
whoever did this first of all wanted to

1546
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,420
be seen obviously okay and we also have

1547
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:54,000
documentation from Mexico in 1991 when

1548
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:55,980
there was an eclipse and thousands of

1549
01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:57,480
people were outside looking up at the

1550
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,940
sky and UFOs started showing up all over

1551
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,220
the place so whoever did this

1552
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:04,980
wanted to be seen Percival in a

1553
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:07,680
non-threatening gentle way

1554
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,140
also the timing and I think about that

1555
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:12,480
sometimes it's a great question because

1556
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:15,660
we didn't have cameras now it would be a

1557
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:18,660
lot different if it happened but also we

1558
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,000
didn't have the Photoshop we didn't have

1559
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,000
the hoaxes that we have now we didn't

1560
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:26,160
have drones that we have now and there's

1561
01:05:31,789 --> 01:05:28,619
so much more out there satellites that

1562
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:31,799
could be mistaken for UAP this could not

1563
01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:34,880
be mistaken this was a deliberate

1564
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:38,099
sighting or parade okay

1565
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:40,619
where whoever did this

1566
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:42,900
and again I go back to how it affected

1567
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:45,660
people at such a deep level one person

1568
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:48,180
at a time okay it was like they said

1569
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:49,799
forget about the military and government

1570
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,740
we're doing this and making people aware

1571
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:55,440
because it was so denied for so long and

1572
01:05:59,030 --> 01:05:57,180
you can only imagine if there are

1573
01:06:01,130 --> 01:05:59,040
benevolent people out there and I can

1574
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:01,140
only talk about the Phoenix Lights I

1575
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:03,059
don't know what else is out there and

1576
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:05,579
there are agendas but with the Phoenix

1577
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,640
Lights I can discuss it

1578
01:06:12,289 --> 01:06:10,319
intelligently and with the data

1579
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:12,299
that

1580
01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:12,900
um

1581
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:14,819
somebody wanted to make us aware of

1582
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:16,680
their existence

1583
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:19,680
and wanted us to wake up

1584
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,119
wake up

1585
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:23,280
to not only the fact that we're not

1586
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,700
alone in this universe but that we Are

1587
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:29,280
Spiritual Beings I can't tell you how

1588
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,799
many people have awakened and that's the

1589
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:33,180
up experience

1590
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,640
to how important it is to wake up to

1591
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,039
how we can make this world a better

1592
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,740
world and wake up to what we're doing

1593
01:06:50,349 --> 01:06:46,559
before we do destroy this planet

1594
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:53,510
and one of the most common arguments is

1595
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:56,220
that they could do it on a bigger scale

1596
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:58,680
and deliver that message to the world

1597
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,160
now if that happened now and again it's

1598
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:03,839
that old people hate this White House

1599
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,880
lawn Landing but you know if they

1600
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,400
appeared over Paris or London or

1601
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:11,160
Johannesburg or whatever and and came

1602
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,660
out and said look you're destroying the

1603
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:14,400
planet nuclear weapons are not the way

1604
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:16,859
to go the wars the famine the genocide

1605
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,500
is all wrong that that would answer the

1606
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,599
question it still seems that they're

1607
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,960
delivering a message to small Pockets to

1608
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,119
individuals to small groups and you know

1609
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:29,039
what the mess just still getting out

1610
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:30,599
I've talked about the aerial School

1611
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:32,520
phenomenon because that incident

1612
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,000
happened 30 years ago nearly yet only

1613
01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:38,220
now is a documentary being made and the

1614
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:39,960
message getting out so is it a case of

1615
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:42,480
much like the Phoenix Lights the the

1616
01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:45,420
real message isn't yet being told and

1617
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,819
it's only now 25 years 30 years later

1618
01:07:51,609 --> 01:07:50,160
that these are becoming more them more

1619
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:51,619
relevant

1620
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:55,079
absolutely you hit the nail on the head

1621
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,520
um there's something about the Phoenix

1622
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:58,380
Lights and that's why we're studying it

1623
01:08:03,650 --> 01:08:01,319
so scientifically now that really wakes

1624
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,660
people up whether they saw it or not

1625
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,000
and they're like you said I mean they're

1626
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:08,760
it's happening worldwide okay people are

1627
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,440
now seeing similar phenomena and

1628
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:11,760
pointing and say well there's the

1629
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,319
Phoenix Lights which is kind of cool in

1630
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,720
it of itself but

1631
01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,299
um people are waking up now especially

1632
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,759
with the internet I mean now people are

1633
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,620
seeing things and most can be explained

1634
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,540
and again we have the drones and the

1635
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:26,400
satellites and other things that can be

1636
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:30,299
mistaken for a UAP but they start

1637
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:32,339
looking into it people that really look

1638
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,580
at the data and study the data will

1639
01:08:40,370 --> 01:08:37,620
realize there is a plethora of

1640
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,380
information for centuries I knew nothing

1641
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:41,759
about this that's why it was so

1642
01:08:46,849 --> 01:08:44,699
important finally to come forward and

1643
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,859
just let the data out there and let

1644
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:48,900
people decide for themselves some people

1645
01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:50,160
don't want to deal with this if they

1646
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:52,199
have to feed into the flare Theory to

1647
01:08:57,950 --> 01:08:54,900
give them Comfort that's okay that's

1648
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,960
okay everyone in their own time but

1649
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:00,239
that's why I'm so grateful that you're

1650
01:09:04,689 --> 01:09:02,160
letting me share this data with you

1651
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:04,699
because even till today there's still

1652
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:07,259
ufologists there's still programs that

1653
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:09,480
have their own agenda that are giving

1654
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:11,580
this and this information it's very

1655
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,160
frustrating for us that that know what's

1656
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:15,600
going on and that's why I didn't want to

1657
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:17,699
write a new book when they came to me to

1658
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:19,080
write a second book when things were

1659
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,900
unfolding I said no no no no the first

1660
01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:24,719
book was 750 Pages the first Journal

1661
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,259
that I squeezed down that first book is

1662
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:31,020
really important so people can really

1663
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,239
see what happened here and it's really

1664
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:36,239
helped people actually transform to a

1665
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,160
good place in and of itself just reading

1666
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,380
the book I didn't realize it plus when I

1667
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:42,000
was at the Arizona Heart Institute and

1668
01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:44,040
came forward I didn't know how it was

1669
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,620
going to be delivered or or taken by the

1670
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:49,679
community especially my peers I had more

1671
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:52,920
doctors and nurses pull me aside and

1672
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:55,320
tell me how grateful they were that

1673
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,239
someone of credence came forward said

1674
01:10:03,530 --> 01:09:59,760
finally get is out in the open

1675
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,540
talk about it okay and let people feel

1676
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:05,760
that they're not alone okay because they

1677
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,980
had experiences when they were children

1678
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,679
that they started telling me about and

1679
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:12,960
uh you know which is so rewarding to

1680
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:14,160
know that

1681
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:16,140
um the the book The Phoenix Lights the

1682
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:18,120
Skeptics discovery that we are not alone

1683
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:21,060
and I recommend the e-book only because

1684
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,940
it has color pictures and live links I'm

1685
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:25,980
an educator go off if you're interested

1686
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:28,260
in a certain topic and you know study

1687
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:29,699
that topic

1688
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:34,140
um as well as I also have a um here's

1689
01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:35,940
the documentary this is the latest

1690
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,340
edition of the documentary

1691
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,320
um if you have Amazon Prime especially

1692
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:42,960
in the UK you can get it for free I

1693
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,100
believe you can still get it for free

1694
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:47,760
and it's on 2B Tubi that's it's free

1695
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:50,040
there as well and it's streaming on

1696
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:51,420
Amazon

1697
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,840
um here is the latest cover of the

1698
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:56,340
latest edition of the book the fourth

1699
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,219
edition and as an educator

1700
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:01,800
and working on a curriculum which is

1701
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,420
very difficult to get into the schools

1702
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:05,219
needless to say

1703
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:07,500
um but I I figured you know what let me

1704
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,440
put together a graphic novel activities

1705
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:11,760
coloring book

1706
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,540
it's called The Phoenix Lights UFOs and

1707
01:11:21,790 --> 01:11:18,000
um crop circles coloring book Adventures

1708
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:21,800
of Sue Echo and Hugh

1709
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:24,360
h-u-g-h-u-fo is a little alien I worked

1710
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:26,460
with Disney illustrators and teachers

1711
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:29,820
and students fifth and sixth grade and

1712
01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:34,380
um it is packed I mean we're talking 150

1713
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:37,739
to 60 Pages here of not only the story

1714
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:39,780
as it unfolds we have

1715
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:42,360
um the 10 different craft to scale to

1716
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:46,020
color we have 80 crop circles and we

1717
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:48,179
talk about real ones I always give them

1718
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,280
you know both sides of the story and

1719
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,280
also the fake ones and the difference uh

1720
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,679
and we have 80 of the most intricate

1721
01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:58,080
crop circles to color we have Word

1722
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:00,900
Finders and crossword puzzles and from

1723
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:04,380
uh simple to difficult for all ages

1724
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:06,060
because I wanted parents and

1725
01:12:11,149 --> 01:12:09,420
grandparents to enjoy learning not about

1726
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:11,159
only about the Phoenix Lights but the

1727
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,420
topic

1728
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:14,760
um and we have iconic pictures including

1729
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:18,719
a picture of these UAP around the

1730
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:23,100
Capitol in Washington DC in 1952 okay

1731
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,600
um that's why I think they've shown

1732
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,460
themselves as they can through the years

1733
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,800
and you know people ask me oh what do

1734
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:30,540
you think you know if they wanted to get

1735
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,580
rid of us they could have a long time

1736
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,320
ago obviously they're they're that

1737
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:36,360
advanced but be that as it may they've

1738
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,739
tried through the years to show

1739
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,199
themselves and ultimately with the

1740
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:42,480
Phoenix Lights Mass sighting they said

1741
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:46,860
this is it we're doing a biggie here and

1742
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:49,739
um and again how people were affected

1743
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:52,380
people aren't affected at a deep soul

1744
01:13:00,649 --> 01:12:56,040
level by planes or helicopters or

1745
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:00,659
balloons or Holograms or flares so

1746
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:03,420
um you know what whoever did this

1747
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:05,820
um who's ever behind it I hope that I

1748
01:13:09,229 --> 01:13:08,040
find out in my lifetime I would love to

1749
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,239
buy that

1750
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:11,280
um but the fact is that as you alluded

1751
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:14,100
to Andy just getting the information out

1752
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,440
like we are today and hopefully people

1753
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:17,820
will look further and look on the

1754
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:20,640
website it's packed act with information

1755
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,980
on the home page in the photo page and

1756
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,199
the Gap page there's a illustrations and

1757
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:27,960
animations of actually what the governor

1758
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:31,679
saw as well as a news page there's so

1759
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:34,560
much in there to explore and consider so

1760
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,420
I hope your audience will do that as

1761
01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:38,880
well and uh you know it starts out with

1762
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,100
an open mind and an open heart

1763
01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:43,440
all of those links are available in the

1764
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:45,179
description to the podcast so people can

1765
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,920
click on those down below whether it's

1766
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:49,020
YouTube or on your podcast apps and you

1767
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:50,460
can check all that out and like you say

1768
01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:52,020
the website is packed with a lot of free

1769
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,540
stuff as well bringing it up to modern

1770
01:13:58,610 --> 01:13:57,120
day you're still capturing this data

1771
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:58,620
you're still researching you're still

1772
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:01,800
seeing these these lights you recently

1773
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:04,199
appeared on Mysteries decoded and that

1774
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:06,060
was with Shannon legro and I mentioned

1775
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:07,800
Ryan sprig earlier friend did a podcast

1776
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,260
who's just relocated to Scotland as well

1777
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:12,780
and you you shared a video with him

1778
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,760
didn't you of similarly placed lights

1779
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:16,800
from 2019

1780
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,120
do you want to talk about that

1781
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:23,270
definitively

1782
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:24,480
said in fact they were

1783
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:30,649
sure I can't say definitively and I like

1784
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:32,280
to be definitive

1785
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:34,739
um but nonetheless similar lights have

1786
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,300
been showing up

1787
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:38,760
um even weeks ago uh I also had a

1788
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:40,980
sighting and uh people are seeing them

1789
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,140
worldwide and certainly in other areas

1790
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,140
in Arizona over the Navajo range I work

1791
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,960
with Navajo Rangers that are law

1792
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:51,060
enforcement that take these phenomena

1793
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:52,980
seriously and they have a lot going on

1794
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,640
up there including beans okay that

1795
01:15:03,410 --> 01:14:59,280
people are seeing and Reporting and also

1796
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,420
these massive uh rod-shaped craft as in

1797
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:06,480
my two pictures in the photo page in

1798
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:07,800
sunsets

1799
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:10,679
um a month apart in the same location uh

1800
01:15:14,570 --> 01:15:12,600
they're seeing these Rod shaped craft

1801
01:15:17,470 --> 01:15:14,580
not only worldwide but also here in

1802
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:17,480
Arizona we get reports all the time of

1803
01:15:22,689 --> 01:15:20,820
orbs or either discs coming out from

1804
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:22,699
these what they call motherships I guess

1805
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,920
uh so they're happening continuously and

1806
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:28,080
if you go to the National UFO Reporting

1807
01:15:33,649 --> 01:15:31,020
Center you you'll see worldwide people

1808
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,659
are reporting unusual sightings and the

1809
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:36,239
most can be explained but there's enough

1810
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,420
now and in real time which is exciting I

1811
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:40,800
hope there is another Mass sighting

1812
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:44,640
because uh now with people uh and that's

1813
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,440
why they couldn't keep it quiet I mean

1814
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,239
how could they keep it quiet any longer

1815
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:50,400
because people are seeing things that

1816
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:52,140
are so unusual and capturing them on

1817
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,060
their cell phones and sharing them in

1818
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:57,120
almost real time on the internet

1819
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:59,219
um you know they just couldn't keep a

1820
01:16:03,290 --> 01:16:00,540
lid on it anymore

1821
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,300
so you know now I'm glad that it's out

1822
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:06,300
of the bag uh as far as the military and

1823
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:07,860
the government admitting that there is

1824
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:10,500
something that they cannot explain uh

1825
01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:12,420
and hopefully one day we will be able to

1826
01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:14,219
explain who's behind it

1827
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:16,199
I've got a couple more questions before

1828
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:18,179
we get on to some listener questions for

1829
01:16:24,169 --> 01:16:21,540
you and I wonder recently we've seen the

1830
01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:24,179
topic of UFOs uaps discussed within the

1831
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,300
US Congress and the topics being pushed

1832
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,340
one thing we didn't hear about in there

1833
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:31,020
even though we heard about Roswell and a

1834
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:33,060
few other incidents we didn't hear about

1835
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:34,560
the Phoenix Lights the University of

1836
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:37,140
time if we get these upcoming hearings

1837
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,179
but expecting where the Phoenix Lights

1838
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:41,760
event would be brought up as part of

1839
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:43,320
those hearings

1840
01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:46,920
I hope so I mean I you know I decided if

1841
01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:48,540
anybody reads the book

1842
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:50,760
because I don't need to do this okay I

1843
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,739
have a very comfortable wonderful family

1844
01:16:56,510 --> 01:16:54,420
life

1845
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:56,520
um but for whatever reason

1846
01:17:02,510 --> 01:16:59,400
as a scientist as a physician as an

1847
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:02,520
experiencer and as an educator I need to

1848
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:04,920
do this and

1849
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:08,219
um you know the fact is that you know I

1850
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:12,179
hope that as I said even in the book

1851
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:13,980
um I have surrendered

1852
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:16,500
um I have felt that this whole thing is

1853
01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:20,580
orchestrated by something someone and

1854
01:17:24,410 --> 01:17:23,159
that if that's the case and I can be a

1855
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:24,420
credible voice

1856
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:26,340
to share the data and people actually

1857
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:29,940
look at the data then I've done my job

1858
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:33,540
and I've just watched and that's when I

1859
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:34,920
talk about coincidence and you'll read

1860
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:36,900
the book you'll see many coincidences

1861
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:39,000
have happened since the Massa in the

1862
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:40,260
puzzle pieces

1863
01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:42,420
keep fitting together and the story

1864
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:45,420
keeps expanding and growing and changing

1865
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:49,860
and evolving and if it's meant to be

1866
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:53,340
really out there in a giant way and the

1867
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:56,219
Congress finally comes around and gets

1868
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,400
to some of the most important sightings

1869
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:02,400
including the Phoenix Lights uh so be it

1870
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:04,860
when it's time it'll be time and I'm

1871
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,860
just along for the ride so

1872
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:09,600
um yes do I hope it'll get out there I

1873
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:12,900
think that you know at this point

1874
01:18:18,729 --> 01:18:15,960
um it's evolving as it's supposed to uh

1875
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:18,739
it's slow obviously it's 25 years later

1876
01:18:24,169 --> 01:18:22,199
but the word is getting out there and

1877
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:24,179
the truth is getting out there and

1878
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:25,980
people that really want to look at the

1879
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,679
facts and the data they're out there

1880
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:31,440
okay so I hope your audience will take a

1881
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,239
look there's a much more to this story

1882
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:35,280
uh I just told you the tip of the

1883
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:38,520
iceberg today but uh including

1884
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:41,940
um analysis of my 90 1995 closed

1885
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:45,420
sighting by Dr Bruce mcabee very

1886
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,540
respected Navy Optical physicist

1887
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,060
s who analyzed the closed sighting

1888
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:52,800
pictures the first and the last because

1889
01:18:57,050 --> 01:18:54,300
we went back and found that there were

1890
01:18:59,689 --> 01:18:57,060
additional pictures on those strips 35

1891
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,699
millimeter strips in the negative uh

1892
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,679
actually the one right next to the last

1893
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,020
picture the only thing in that negative

1894
01:19:08,450 --> 01:19:06,239
are the two unknowns

1895
01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:08,460
what's that about there's no Skyline

1896
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:10,980
there's no nothing just the two on those

1897
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:14,460
be that as it may he uh got back to me

1898
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:16,140
after I sent him the first and the last

1899
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,320
picture it's on the website photo page

1900
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:21,120
to ask him what those clothes stores

1901
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:23,880
were and he said you told me that close

1902
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:26,100
sighting in 95 was two three minutes

1903
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:28,620
long I said right he said can your

1904
01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:30,480
husband corroborate that I said he won't

1905
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:32,280
talk about it he said you have to sit

1906
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,860
him down and just cooperate the time

1907
01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:36,719
so I finally did I said we don't have to

1908
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:39,480
talk about the the closed sighting but

1909
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:41,520
do you remember it was three years later

1910
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:44,280
because we had a big sighting here uh

1911
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:46,440
which you can see the footage in our

1912
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:49,020
documentary of straight lines and mirror

1913
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:52,140
images and the giant uh pyramid through

1914
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,020
a fog okay the military war isn't at

1915
01:19:58,430 --> 01:19:57,120
that night okay

1916
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:58,440
Vlog

1917
01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,420
um that was amazing that we caught on

1918
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,580
four different uh videos north south

1919
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:04,320
east and west and I sent that to them as

1920
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:05,940
well and the two pictures is an

1921
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,640
afterthought from 95 and I said just

1922
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:11,520
tell me what you remember how long that

1923
01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:13,380
sighting was in 95 I don't know two

1924
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:16,920
three four minutes tops

1925
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:20,159
I go back to Dr McAfee he said first of

1926
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,140
all that's impossible I said what do you

1927
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,239
mean he said

1928
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:26,520
not only is this and he was the first to

1929
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,860
recognize the same exact phenomenon he

1930
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:31,440
was very meticulous in his analysis the

1931
01:20:37,149 --> 01:20:33,719
same exact phenomena was in the

1932
01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:37,159
background over the same exact location

1933
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:39,480
disappearing as a closed doors were

1934
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:42,179
disappearing in 95 two years before the

1935
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:45,659
mass sighting in the same location

1936
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:47,940
but he said look at the skyline I said

1937
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,820
okay he said there are many groups of

1938
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:52,380
lights not just individual lights but

1939
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,540
groups of lights that are on in the

1940
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:57,300
first picture that are off in the last

1941
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:58,260
picture

1942
01:21:01,370 --> 01:20:59,940
he said that doesn't happen in a couple

1943
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:01,380
of minutes he said I want you to do an

1944
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,000
experiment he says go out on your

1945
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,800
balcony unless it's three years later

1946
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:07,020
mind you but he said one night every

1947
01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:09,000
hour the next night every half hour and

1948
01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:10,500
I actually did another night every 15

1949
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:12,420
minutes to see when these groups of

1950
01:21:18,110 --> 01:21:15,179
lights go out now I usually take a bath

1951
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:18,120
between seven and eight when we're home

1952
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,980
so let's be conservative and say

1953
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:22,920
starting point is 8 P.M

1954
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:25,140
the groups of Lights started going out

1955
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:28,140
at 9 pm the last picture is indicative

1956
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,820
of 10 30 11 pm now he did it again a few

1957
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:34,800
years ago for National Geographic TV

1958
01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:38,280
with better more advanced uh software

1959
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:40,140
and found that there were even more

1960
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,820
lights on in the first pictures that

1961
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:43,920
were off in the last picture he said to

1962
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,140
me can I present this case in the

1963
01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:48,320
upcoming 1999

1964
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:51,860
move-on Mutual UFO Network International

1965
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,540
Symposium in Washington DC

1966
01:21:59,689 --> 01:21:56,400
that was upcoming

1967
01:22:02,510 --> 01:21:59,699
I said Dr McAfee this is your baby

1968
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:02,520
I would have never realized this data

1969
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:04,860
just keep my name out of it which he

1970
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,020
among other just a handful of people

1971
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:08,880
that knew who had these pictures was I

1972
01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:11,100
wanted to do my homework for sure before

1973
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:13,380
I came forward with them but I was

1974
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:15,480
having them analyze at University and

1975
01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:16,679
Military level

1976
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,140
I said please just keep my name about

1977
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:21,120
out of it and he was kind enough to do

1978
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:22,980
that and presented it

1979
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:25,560
in 1999

1980
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:28,679
as the first and as far as we know the

1981
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:29,900
only

1982
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:33,179
authenticated photographic evidence of

1983
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:34,679
missing time

1984
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,620
that there weren't minutes between the

1985
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,600
first and the last picture that there

1986
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,760
were hours

1987
01:22:45,410 --> 01:22:43,500
and what I share with you and your

1988
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:45,420
audience is what I remember

1989
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:47,880
so that's why I did not share it in the

1990
01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:50,100
original book I could not wrap my head

1991
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:52,140
around it it was like two out there for

1992
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:53,159
me

1993
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:56,219
push it aside by the second edition of

1994
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,460
the book that came out in 2010

1995
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:02,400
it was like okay maybe it's important

1996
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:07,500
data maybe just sharing that data will

1997
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:10,380
open the door for scientists to actually

1998
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,580
address time that our concept of linear

1999
01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:16,560
time is primitive

2000
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:19,860
past present and future is not what time

2001
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:22,140
really is okay remember when I went out

2002
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,820
on the balcony it felt like time had

2003
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,860
stopped okay

2004
01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:28,080
also

2005
01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:30,600
when you look at quantum physics and

2006
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:32,640
quantum mechanics postulating that there

2007
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:34,880
could be 10 or 11 different dimensions

2008
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:38,699
out there along with ours why is it such

2009
01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:41,460
a leap to think that there could in

2010
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,100
other times and spaces along with ours

2011
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:47,520
be intelligent sentient entities

2012
01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:50,580
in those other times and spaces that we

2013
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:51,300
get

2014
01:23:57,649 --> 01:23:54,659
glimpses of if we're open to them or

2015
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,659
invited so I finally shared it

2016
01:24:02,030 --> 01:23:59,520
it hasn't gotten out there big that's

2017
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:02,040
fine when it's time it's time but the

2018
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,380
data is out there if anybody cares take

2019
01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:06,600
a look at it

2020
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:08,940
one more question before and thank you

2021
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:11,460
for that before let's not questions uh

2022
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:14,520
have the locals opinion in the area now

2023
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:17,280
25 years later has that changed at all

2024
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,219
on the event do people still very much

2025
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:22,440
believe they saw something truly

2026
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:25,020
anomalous they saw a hard craft or has

2027
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,659
it softened to being just with time

2028
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:29,520
passing and like you say misinformation

2029
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:32,219
disinformation and the the Mind plays

2030
01:24:35,330 --> 01:24:34,260
tricks that it was something more

2031
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,340
physique

2032
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:37,920
more than ever which is also very

2033
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:41,940
poignant 25 years over 25 years later

2034
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:43,860
and there's other stuff that we could

2035
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:46,980
you know talk about including uh people

2036
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:48,300
that

2037
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:51,840
um uh suppressed the sighting for months

2038
01:24:56,209 --> 01:24:53,880
and years as Kurt Russell did he

2039
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:56,219
describing okay

2040
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,659
um uh interview I mean there's so much

2041
01:25:00,530 --> 01:24:59,760
more to this story but

2042
01:25:02,270 --> 01:25:00,540
um

2043
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:02,280
that's why we're doing this study

2044
01:25:08,350 --> 01:25:05,580
because the Phoenix Lights Mass sighting

2045
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:08,360
particularly for those who did see it

2046
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:12,840
affected them every single one it's at

2047
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,380
such a deep level okay and yes there's a

2048
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:18,960
few that you know like I said with

2049
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:20,580
Independence Day just didn't want any

2050
01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:23,100
part of it or uh suppressed it or

2051
01:25:29,209 --> 01:25:25,380
whatever but the vast majority and I'm

2052
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,219
talking 90 plus percent which we're

2053
01:25:34,370 --> 01:25:31,440
finding in the study

2054
01:25:36,910 --> 01:25:34,380
affected it's such a deep level

2055
01:25:39,649 --> 01:25:36,920
that more than ever

2056
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,659
they not only are grateful that we're

2057
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:41,280
talking about it and it's out in the

2058
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,060
open okay but they know

2059
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:47,760
it's not a belief anymore people ask me

2060
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:51,120
do you believe in UFOs it's not a belief

2061
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,260
anymore

2062
01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:54,000
it's a knowing

2063
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,500
that is a giant leap again it doesn't

2064
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:01,199
happen with planes and helicopters and

2065
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:04,920
Holograms and flares it's a knowing

2066
01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:08,340
that people have every year I host a big

2067
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,179
event

2068
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,340
at the Harkins Scottsdale harkinshay

2069
01:26:15,950 --> 01:26:13,920
theater to keep it alive and to also

2070
01:26:19,550 --> 01:26:15,960
have a forum

2071
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:19,560
and it sold out every year where we show

2072
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:21,060
our documentary our award-winning

2073
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:22,500
document River we pray out that Phoenix

2074
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,260
Lights uh the on top secret is one over

2075
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:26,639
a dozen International Film Festival

2076
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,400
Awards and um it's a real grassroot

2077
01:26:35,450 --> 01:26:31,199
effort it's a very gentle overview the

2078
01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:35,460
book has much much more data but I

2079
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:36,840
wanted to give something to the

2080
01:26:43,129 --> 01:26:40,440
community to not only you that's not

2081
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,139
going to freak people out but also to

2082
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:45,120
have a forum where they can come and

2083
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,719
feel comfortable being there and being

2084
01:26:53,149 --> 01:26:50,400
able to talk about it because we have

2085
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,159
speakers in fact Alice Cooper saw the

2086
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:55,920
mass sighting he's come forward and he's

2087
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,800
actually been part of our uh event last

2088
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:00,719
year and the and the last time that we

2089
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,199
had it before covid as well as

2090
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:06,960
um you know other luminaries in the

2091
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,020
field and uh Witnesses when you hear

2092
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,239
from the witnesses themselves

2093
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:14,639
um if anybody has

2094
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,360
um discovery plus there is a show called

2095
01:27:23,810 --> 01:27:21,600
UFO witness the fifth episode which is

2096
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:23,820
very good very well done

2097
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,440
where we have a witness a RN nurse who

2098
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,239
was standing he was standing right under

2099
01:27:35,390 --> 01:27:33,000
one of the craft and actually saw it

2100
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:35,400
it's amazing when you hear the witnesses

2101
01:27:39,770 --> 01:27:37,860
themselves describe and they it's as if

2102
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:39,780
they had seen it yesterday just like I

2103
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:43,500
described the 95 sighting okay the like

2104
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,480
a tube coming down and you'll hear it

2105
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:47,340
over and over again by people that the

2106
01:27:58,129 --> 01:27:47,880
the

2107
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,139
like lava coming down and he thought it

2108
01:28:02,390 --> 01:27:59,760
was going to burn him and before it got

2109
01:28:03,649 --> 01:28:02,400
to the end it shot straight up again and

2110
01:28:05,870 --> 01:28:03,659
then it started to come down it's

2111
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:05,880
amazing when you hear the descriptions

2112
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:09,120
and how the the sighting really touched

2113
01:28:14,510 --> 01:28:11,940
people at a deep level so that nothing

2114
01:28:16,610 --> 01:28:14,520
it is not dissipated at all if nothing

2115
01:28:19,070 --> 01:28:16,620
has grown even more and I have more

2116
01:28:21,729 --> 01:28:19,080
people to tell me till today

2117
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:21,739
that they feel blessed

2118
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:24,239
blessed that they had the Phoenix Lights

2119
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,760
experience and you don't have to have an

2120
01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:30,239
experience a UA you are an UK up

2121
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:32,699
experience to have that positive

2122
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:34,980
transformation all you need to do is

2123
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,900
open your mind and your heart and learn

2124
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:38,880
about it and you will start noticing

2125
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,620
your eyes are open

2126
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:42,960
as I think yours are Andrew you

2127
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:44,940
mentioned it at the beginning you start

2128
01:28:50,930 --> 01:28:47,940
noticing Serendipity you start noticing

2129
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,940
coincidences that are like an anonymous

2130
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:53,040
gift from Beyond

2131
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:55,860
you mentioned um the UFO wetness I'm

2132
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:57,540
actually speaking to Ben Hansen in about

2133
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:59,400
two hours time as we speak and record

2134
01:29:02,530 --> 01:29:01,199
this who's the host of that show so

2135
01:29:05,330 --> 01:29:02,540
there you go there's one of your

2136
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:05,340
coincidencies our sailing deputies

2137
01:29:08,270 --> 01:29:06,900
um but listen let's get to some lesson

2138
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:08,280
our questions because I had quite a lot

2139
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:10,620
of sent in many of them you've answered

2140
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:12,780
and you're very thorough explanation of

2141
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,699
the events and and deep dive so thank

2142
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:15,840
you for that

2143
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:16,980
um but I want to get to some of these

2144
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,139
for you Dr Lynn the first one is from

2145
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:21,840
Tim and he asks were there ever any

2146
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,420
radar tracks formally disclosed from

2147
01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:26,159
either government or non-government

2148
01:29:31,610 --> 01:29:29,100
agencies during or after the event

2149
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,620
good question as the air traffic

2150
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:33,840
controllers mentioned they looked on

2151
01:29:38,270 --> 01:29:36,360
radar they got alarmed because anything

2152
01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:38,280
in that airspace is especially a

2153
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:39,780
thousand feet altitude that these were

2154
01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:41,460
right in class B restricted airspace

2155
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:43,800
must call into the tower no one did and

2156
01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:47,280
it didn't show up on radar either but a

2157
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:49,860
fella who has what's called The Black

2158
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:53,580
Vault John Greenwald yep I've known him

2159
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:55,380
since he was a kid now he's an adult

2160
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,520
with a family he was amazing he went and

2161
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:01,679
got a foia okay if you don't have

2162
01:30:07,689 --> 01:30:05,219
information act request and actually got

2163
01:30:10,370 --> 01:30:07,699
a letter back okay I think it was in May

2164
01:30:11,229 --> 01:30:10,380
that the military had nothing to do with

2165
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:11,239
it

2166
01:30:16,490 --> 01:30:14,280
and they don't know why there was a

2167
01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:16,500
square thing that was brought up

2168
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:19,860
it's in writing okay so that was a very

2169
01:30:24,050 --> 01:30:21,300
good question like I said there's much

2170
01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:24,060
more to this story so it it's almost

2171
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:27,239
laughable if people uh talk about the

2172
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,280
flare thing and by the way they may have

2173
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,719
sent off flares and that's the only

2174
01:30:35,229 --> 01:30:31,920
explanation they ever came up with

2175
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:35,239
they've never ever addressed the craft

2176
01:30:41,629 --> 01:30:38,880
actual craft with gunmetal bottom and

2177
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,639
and as I said the the nurse describes

2178
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:43,440
the bottom as having like I mean it's

2179
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,540
unbelievable how he describes it in such

2180
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:47,040
detail

2181
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,080
um that's never been addressed the only

2182
01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:51,360
thing they needed to address were the

2183
01:30:57,410 --> 01:30:54,540
lights that were you know photographed

2184
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:57,420
um which you know some people will feed

2185
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:59,520
right into it because they need to okay

2186
01:31:02,570 --> 01:31:01,139
they need to have a logical explanation

2187
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:02,580
I get that

2188
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,380
um but the Phoenix Lights for anybody

2189
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,480
that saw the true unknowns would

2190
01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:08,639
definitely not flare so let's make that

2191
01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:11,400
clear okay and even though a show by the

2192
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:13,380
way and I go into it in detail in my

2193
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:14,100
book

2194
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:17,520
in August the following August

2195
01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:19,080
um suddenly we get an announcement again

2196
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:21,659
I was staying Anonymous and even when I

2197
01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:24,239
went to Village labs to have my things

2198
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,760
analyzed or talked to the investigators

2199
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:28,800
and somebody from the from

2200
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:31,139
um the media showed up they said who are

2201
01:31:35,149 --> 01:31:32,219
you

2202
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:35,159
I had a perfect cover because I have my

2203
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,719
own company health education learning

2204
01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:38,400
programs help incorporate it with my

2205
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:40,380
video and workbook curriculums and I

2206
01:31:44,270 --> 01:31:42,060
would say that I'm you know from health

2207
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,280
education learning programs representing

2208
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:46,800
the couple who took the video and

2209
01:31:50,990 --> 01:31:48,480
pictures right that was important to

2210
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:51,000
cover and they moved on which was great

2211
01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:52,380
right

2212
01:31:58,910 --> 01:31:55,620
um but uh you know while I was there I

2213
01:32:02,090 --> 01:31:58,920
mean you know to to hear the witness

2214
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,100
reports and uh see how the story was

2215
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:03,840
unfolding which just was just

2216
01:32:08,209 --> 01:32:05,159
fascinating

2217
01:32:11,090 --> 01:32:08,219
um and you know unfortunately you know

2218
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:11,100
we we don't know uh if they got gun

2219
01:32:14,689 --> 01:32:12,780
camera film although I heard that they

2220
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,699
did I have not seen it

2221
01:32:18,410 --> 01:32:16,260
um but the point is that they were very

2222
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:18,420
well aware because they try to intercept

2223
01:32:25,729 --> 01:32:22,380
a craft at 8 30 that night so what they

2224
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:25,739
were saying was that the boomerang video

2225
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:28,020
um because I I went to the director of

2226
01:32:31,370 --> 01:32:28,980
the show

2227
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,380
and I said look there's a lot more to

2228
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:33,360
the story than just March 13th and the

2229
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:35,100
public should know that that this has

2230
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:37,920
been happening for not only you know by

2231
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,659
then I just had learned a little bit but

2232
01:32:44,450 --> 01:32:42,480
uh for centuries but I have photographic

2233
01:32:46,010 --> 01:32:44,460
evidence two months before the math

2234
01:32:48,530 --> 01:32:46,020
setting I didn't even realize that it

2235
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:48,540
was that I had it from 95 too

2236
01:32:54,050 --> 01:32:51,360
and uh I said they really should know

2237
01:32:55,970 --> 01:32:54,060
about this that it's not just March 13th

2238
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,980
and other people were seeing these

2239
01:32:59,629 --> 01:32:57,840
things before too he said well the

2240
01:33:02,689 --> 01:32:59,639
militaries said it was Flair so that's

2241
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,699
what it was and it was like what you're

2242
01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:04,080
not even going to look at my pictures

2243
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:07,860
which he did not okay and they had me

2244
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:09,420
set up to do an anonymous interview

2245
01:33:12,649 --> 01:33:11,040
because I really wanted people know

2246
01:33:17,290 --> 01:33:12,659
there's more to this story than March

2247
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,300
13th and the uh producer was was

2248
01:33:22,189 --> 01:33:19,920
unrelenting I mean he wanted March 13th

2249
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,199
and I wasn't going there and my

2250
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:23,520
interview ended up on The Cutting Room

2251
01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:26,340
floor thank goodness because what they

2252
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:28,440
did was in the middle of what they

2253
01:33:32,770 --> 01:33:30,300
called it was a show called anatomy of a

2254
01:33:35,689 --> 01:33:32,780
sighting which they ended up showing

2255
01:33:37,490 --> 01:33:35,699
multiple multiple times during peak

2256
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:37,500
hours from Thanksgiving and Christmas

2257
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:40,920
and over and over and over again they

2258
01:33:45,709 --> 01:33:43,440
took the boomerang video my video has

2259
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:45,719
been confirmed as a true unknown the

2260
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:48,120
three endpoints of the video triangle

2261
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:49,679
not only by

2262
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:51,900
um university and Military Optical

2263
01:33:56,030 --> 01:33:54,300
physicists but by the air traffic

2264
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,040
controllers that saw the same thing

2265
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,320
while I was filming it okay

2266
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,960
um but the boomerang which was after 10

2267
01:34:04,729 --> 01:34:02,460
o'clock mine was before 10 o'clock

2268
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,739
anyway after 10 o'clock the two

2269
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,480
boomerangs are the ones that have been

2270
01:34:11,149 --> 01:34:08,880
under Fire for being flares and they

2271
01:34:13,629 --> 01:34:11,159
took the Kristen video which is really

2272
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:13,639
impressive which by the way if you go to

2273
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:17,040
the news page and scroll down someone

2274
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:20,219
that had Advanced uh stabilizing

2275
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,540
software

2276
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:24,480
took that Boomerang video and showed

2277
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:26,820
that it didn't budge those lights did

2278
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:29,520
not budge they stayed equidistant from

2279
01:34:33,169 --> 01:34:30,719
each other and one of them actually

2280
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,179
elevated and split in two flares don't

2281
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:35,520
do that but be that as it may

2282
01:34:39,950 --> 01:34:37,620
the boomerangs were the ones that were

2283
01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:39,960
under Fire for being flares

2284
01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:41,580
and

2285
01:34:46,610 --> 01:34:44,100
um they took that video

2286
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:46,620
and tried to show that it went behind

2287
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,280
the mountain range South Mountain so it

2288
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:52,800
or the Estrella Mountain Range

2289
01:34:58,510 --> 01:34:55,560
so it must be flares because David

2290
01:35:01,070 --> 01:34:58,520
Monson Air Force Base is two hours south

2291
01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:01,080
and they said that they sent all flares

2292
01:35:05,209 --> 01:35:03,420
but that would be what it was well

2293
01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:05,219
number one the air traffic controller

2294
01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:07,260
said that what I was photographing two

2295
01:35:11,570 --> 01:35:08,940
months before the mass sighting turned

2296
01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:11,580
against the wind as a unit elevated and

2297
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:13,500
they moved in synchrony behind the

2298
01:35:16,610 --> 01:35:15,120
mountain so just because it went behind

2299
01:35:20,090 --> 01:35:16,620
the mountain doesn't mean it's flares

2300
01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:20,100
that's number one number two there was a

2301
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,739
fox reporter here who saw the craft

2302
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:24,480
himself and he wanted to get to the

2303
01:35:28,910 --> 01:35:26,520
bottom of it and he was amazing he did

2304
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:28,920
wonderful reports honest truthful

2305
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,159
reports and he went to Kristen who had

2306
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:34,980
the who shot the boomerang who told him

2307
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:37,800
and showed him he said if you look at

2308
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:40,380
the footage again the data speaks for

2309
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:43,500
itself there is one lone light this to

2310
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,480
the right of a tree on the Christian

2311
01:35:51,229 --> 01:35:47,760
property separate from the boomerang

2312
01:35:55,370 --> 01:35:51,239
okay that in their show

2313
01:35:58,189 --> 01:35:55,380
is on the left side of that tree so they

2314
01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:58,199
manipulated that Boomerang to show it

2315
01:36:04,430 --> 01:36:00,659
coordinating with the mountain range

2316
01:36:07,129 --> 01:36:04,440
they actually altered the video to make

2317
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,139
the case flares it's right there I'm not

2318
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:09,600
saying anything out of the ordinary or

2319
01:36:15,649 --> 01:36:11,880
top secret it's right there

2320
01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:15,659
and so you know you have to think you

2321
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:17,940
know why did they do that plus they have

2322
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:21,360
never addressed the craft itself so I

2323
01:36:26,209 --> 01:36:22,800
hope that answers the question with the

2324
01:36:28,129 --> 01:36:26,219
with the radar yeah absolutely Ryan has

2325
01:36:30,169 --> 01:36:28,139
a question and he very much that goes

2326
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,179
with the idea this was a craft there was

2327
01:36:34,450 --> 01:36:31,920
something at least one object you're

2328
01:36:37,370 --> 01:36:34,460
seeing multiple over over the the town

2329
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,380
he he knows obviously it started about

2330
01:36:41,689 --> 01:36:39,480
Phoenix for many uh the sighting and

2331
01:36:43,490 --> 01:36:41,699
ended past Tucson both cities have Air

2332
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:43,500
Force bases do you think there's any

2333
01:36:47,930 --> 01:36:45,600
correlation that the craft itself was

2334
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:47,940
flying between the Air Force bases for

2335
01:36:52,030 --> 01:36:50,159
any reason

2336
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,040
um you know there was so much going on

2337
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:54,239
that uh

2338
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:57,360
you know what can I say I mean I I don't

2339
01:37:01,010 --> 01:36:58,560
know there were multiple things

2340
01:37:03,890 --> 01:37:01,020
happening these orb formations uh these

2341
01:37:05,930 --> 01:37:03,900
multiple craft in multiple States for

2342
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:05,940
over a dozen hours

2343
01:37:11,209 --> 01:37:08,940
um that there's no way to to tell you

2344
01:37:13,070 --> 01:37:11,219
know if if in fact they were going from

2345
01:37:20,169 --> 01:37:13,080
face to face I I have no idea and

2346
01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:22,370
on that same kind of vein about more

2347
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,360
witnesses coming forward rich wants to

2348
01:37:28,490 --> 01:37:26,639
know that why after all these years that

2349
01:37:31,129 --> 01:37:28,500
the melody seemed to have gone out and

2350
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:31,139
attempted to drop flares after in some

2351
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:34,080
kind of diversionary tactic why have no

2352
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,120
more witnesses come forward from from

2353
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:38,159
those to come out and speak about the

2354
01:37:43,790 --> 01:37:41,280
event now why why have what come from no

2355
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,800
further Witnesses come forward or the

2356
01:37:47,390 --> 01:37:45,360
dropping of the flares thousands of

2357
01:37:50,090 --> 01:37:47,400
witnesses have come forward now

2358
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,100
from from the uh from the military

2359
01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:52,560
from the what from the military or at

2360
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:54,020
the time

2361
01:37:59,390 --> 01:37:57,840
in fact um I was just invited to do a

2362
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,400
History Channel another History Channel

2363
01:38:05,629 --> 01:38:02,159
program and uh one of the people that is

2364
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:05,639
going to be interviewed is a pilot that

2365
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:08,280
actually saw for the first time he just

2366
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:10,080
retired he's going to be coming forward

2367
01:38:14,030 --> 01:38:11,880
to talk about it

2368
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:14,040
um but yeah I mean there's a pilot that

2369
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,780
we have that's involved with the

2370
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:17,280
military that's why he stays Anonymous

2371
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:20,100
in our own documentary and he was in

2372
01:38:24,770 --> 01:38:22,860
Vietnam and also uh It was a commercial

2373
01:38:27,470 --> 01:38:24,780
pilot and now he's involved with the

2374
01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:27,480
with the military and state Anonymous

2375
01:38:32,649 --> 01:38:31,260
but he saw the craft and um you know and

2376
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:32,659
he

2377
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:35,400
knows it definitely wasn't flares and

2378
01:38:39,770 --> 01:38:37,500
and we'll attest to that and is

2379
01:38:42,110 --> 01:38:39,780
wonderful in our documentary as well as

2380
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:42,120
that UFO witness show he's terrific in

2381
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:43,860
that as well

2382
01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:46,739
so there are there are military people

2383
01:38:51,530 --> 01:38:48,600
that are coming forward it's you know

2384
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:51,540
they've we learn now and I I we learn

2385
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:54,480
more more of the public is learning that

2386
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,300
pilots and Military were threatened with

2387
01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:59,520
their careers if they came forward with

2388
01:39:04,129 --> 01:39:02,040
this data um but now that more and more

2389
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,139
retiring

2390
01:39:07,550 --> 01:39:06,000
um and and I'm very grateful just like

2391
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:07,560
with the governor I mean he was a

2392
01:39:12,890 --> 01:39:10,739
military pilot uh coming forward to

2393
01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:12,900
admit that there is something going on

2394
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,260
that we cannot explain and that needs to

2395
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,960
be studied and uh that's that's where we

2396
01:39:22,129 --> 01:39:20,340
are right now

2397
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,139
and I hope more come forward as well

2398
01:39:25,790 --> 01:39:24,239
that would be that would be great yeah

2399
01:39:27,290 --> 01:39:25,800
and there's always

2400
01:39:30,290 --> 01:39:27,300
um you don't know where they're coming

2401
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,300
from you don't know what their agenda is

2402
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:32,400
um you know we do have military out

2403
01:39:37,010 --> 01:39:34,860
there that say that they were you know

2404
01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:37,020
flying their planes that night with the

2405
01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:40,520
Air National Guard well okay

2406
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,980
but you know and that they sent off

2407
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:46,080
flares okay but where's the proof

2408
01:39:52,129 --> 01:39:48,780
where's the proof when they started to

2409
01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:52,139
try to reenact it they blew it the Dale

2410
01:39:56,270 --> 01:39:54,540
was in the coffin being players once

2411
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:56,280
they did that that was like give me a

2412
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:59,760
break they had their shot

2413
01:40:04,610 --> 01:40:02,159
a question from Alfie he wants to know

2414
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:04,620
is there any data from the event that

2415
01:40:10,430 --> 01:40:07,440
you think the new UAP task force could

2416
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:10,440
obtain and use in modern day

2417
01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:14,159
absolutely I welcome them to take a look

2418
01:40:20,410 --> 01:40:16,980
at my photo data uh I have gone to

2419
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,420
extremely to have my 35 millimeter

2420
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:22,320
photographs that are in the negative

2421
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:25,800
that cannot be explained or denied uh

2422
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,659
tell me what it is especially the one

2423
01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:29,520
the picture that I took one month after

2424
01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:32,760
9 11 and there's a story to that

2425
01:40:39,770 --> 01:40:35,820
um that I have on the cover of my book

2426
01:40:41,810 --> 01:40:39,780
I'd like somebody to tell me

2427
01:40:44,330 --> 01:40:41,820
what that is I don't know if you can see

2428
01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:44,340
it but let's see

2429
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:46,260
for the YouTube viewers yeah they'll be

2430
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,600
able to see the the cover yeah what what

2431
01:40:56,450 --> 01:40:54,709
um I mean they in fact on our website we

2432
01:40:58,490 --> 01:40:56,460
have that which looks like this they

2433
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:58,500
look like three discs and there's a

2434
01:41:03,229 --> 01:41:00,600
negative that's next to it where you can

2435
01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:03,239
see them turning they're turning oh you

2436
01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:04,860
can see the little turn of each one

2437
01:41:09,770 --> 01:41:06,300
doing it so

2438
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:09,780
they're separate entities okay

2439
01:41:16,129 --> 01:41:13,020
um and we actually I did a um I was

2440
01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:16,139
invited to show my pictures at an

2441
01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:18,420
anthropology exhibit at Arizona State

2442
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,420
University a few years back and Colonel

2443
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,000
Wendell Stevens who had amazing pictures

2444
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:26,280
from yesteryear had this one photograph

2445
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:30,239
from Italy uh from the 1960s of three

2446
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:33,780
discs in a row that we actually you can

2447
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,219
you look at it it looks like it could

2448
01:41:40,370 --> 01:41:38,159
morph right into my photograph that

2449
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,380
photograph

2450
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:42,360
it is what it is people can make up the

2451
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,500
robot

2452
01:41:46,669 --> 01:41:45,119
I've seen that one on the website too

2453
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:46,679
and I can see why you put them side by

2454
01:41:50,090 --> 01:41:48,600
side uh again folks make sure you do

2455
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:50,100
check those photographs out from the

2456
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:51,600
website once you're listened or as

2457
01:41:55,609 --> 01:41:53,100
you're listening along

2458
01:41:59,209 --> 01:41:55,619
um final question from cat cat once in

2459
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,219
order Dr kitai personal experience any

2460
01:42:02,890 --> 01:42:01,440
High strangeness after witnessing the

2461
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:02,900
event you recorded

2462
01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:05,360
oh yeah

2463
01:42:11,330 --> 01:42:08,699
too many to actually get into here I

2464
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:11,340
want to fight the audience to read the

2465
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:13,260
book because

2466
01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:15,780
um there were a number of things that

2467
01:42:19,310 --> 01:42:17,699
happened after the mass sighting that

2468
01:42:20,990 --> 01:42:19,320
convinced me

2469
01:42:22,970 --> 01:42:21,000
because I had to be convinced I'm a

2470
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:22,980
healthy skeptic I did not have any

2471
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:24,840
interest or knowledge in this when

2472
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:26,940
you're a physician you must be open to

2473
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:30,420
anything coming through the door and I

2474
01:42:34,609 --> 01:42:32,699
am very empathetic but I'm also a

2475
01:42:37,070 --> 01:42:34,619
healthy skeptic I have to see it to

2476
01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:37,080
believe it and I did see it and I got

2477
01:42:43,310 --> 01:42:41,699
photographs of it okay but after the

2478
01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:43,320
massillating there were a number of

2479
01:42:48,590 --> 01:42:45,960
paranormal experiences that I had

2480
01:42:52,510 --> 01:42:48,600
personally that

2481
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:52,520
really convinced me that this was real

2482
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,600
that if I choose okay it was a choice

2483
01:43:03,169 --> 01:43:00,719
to move forward and try to help

2484
01:43:04,970 --> 01:43:03,179
because I I showed the pictures to my

2485
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,980
friends and I said why do I have this I

2486
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:06,719
don't want this I don't want to do this

2487
01:43:10,910 --> 01:43:08,820
this is not something I would choose to

2488
01:43:12,649 --> 01:43:10,920
do what am I supposed to do with this

2489
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,659
and you know they would look at me and

2490
01:43:17,149 --> 01:43:14,639
they Lynn you've been doing this for 40

2491
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:17,159
years on vital health issues if anybody

2492
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:18,480
can do something credible and

2493
01:43:25,070 --> 01:43:21,360
professional with this you can

2494
01:43:27,229 --> 01:43:25,080
um and having the original 95 closed

2495
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:27,239
sighting and my near-death experience by

2496
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,460
the way when I was eight years old which

2497
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,679
may be connected I'll just leave it at

2498
01:43:35,870 --> 01:43:34,080
that okay

2499
01:43:38,890 --> 01:43:35,880
um really

2500
01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:38,900
maybe compelled to do something

2501
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:42,780
professional and credible with the data

2502
01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:45,600
which brings me here today so I hope

2503
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:47,400
that you know what I shared has helped

2504
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,420
others

2505
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:50,159
um to learn about what really happened

2506
01:43:55,550 --> 01:43:52,980
here because again the media just picked

2507
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:55,560
up on the 8 to 10 period time period

2508
01:44:01,070 --> 01:43:58,560
there's so much more to this story and

2509
01:44:03,410 --> 01:44:01,080
also some people keep on beating that

2510
01:44:05,209 --> 01:44:03,420
flare Theory and beating it and beating

2511
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:05,219
it and it's like

2512
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,639
look at the data look at the data it

2513
01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:11,040
speaks for itself the Phoenix Lights

2514
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,820
were definitely not flares and hopefully

2515
01:44:19,070 --> 01:44:16,080
one day

2516
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:19,080
we will find out who was driving these

2517
01:44:26,689 --> 01:44:23,520
things but we know why now we know that

2518
01:44:29,810 --> 01:44:26,699
um they really one person at a time have

2519
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:29,820
touched people to wake them up not only

2520
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:32,820
to their presence but also to the

2521
01:44:38,330 --> 01:44:35,520
positive potential we have as human

2522
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:38,340
beings to make this world a better world

2523
01:44:44,450 --> 01:44:41,699
and that's why I hope with my own data

2524
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:44,460
the book the documentary the graphic

2525
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:47,420
novel and now the study

2526
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:50,520
that it will go that next step and touch

2527
01:44:55,129 --> 01:44:52,679
one person at a time and wake them up as

2528
01:44:57,890 --> 01:44:55,139
well and this thank you for letting me

2529
01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:57,900
share this is important too it's been a

2530
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:59,340
pleasure and you've mentioned the book

2531
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:00,840
you've mentioned the documentary the

2532
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,760
website is very extensive lots of

2533
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:04,560
information on there lots of clips that

2534
01:45:08,330 --> 01:45:06,420
are free lots of photographs to look

2535
01:45:09,709 --> 01:45:08,340
through articles and then you can go

2536
01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:09,719
into the store as well and check out

2537
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:12,179
what we've discussed and it's www dot

2538
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:13,040
the

2539
01:45:17,330 --> 01:45:15,480
phoenixlights.net for Dr kitai's website

2540
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,340
uh Dr lint thank you very much for

2541
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,400
joining me oh thank you so much and keep

2542
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:22,080
looking up now you know it's a double

2543
01:45:26,209 --> 01:45:23,400
entender

2544
01:45:28,250 --> 01:45:26,219
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2545
01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:28,260
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2546
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:30,300
and it kick-started me to getting fitter

2547
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:32,280
healthier and generally looking after

2548
01:45:37,070 --> 01:45:35,040
myself better a healthier breakfast was

2549
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2554
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2555
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2557
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2558
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2559
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2560
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2561
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2591
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2592
01:47:27,530 --> 01:47:25,139
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2593
01:47:37,850 --> 01:47:27,540
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2594
01:48:01,970 --> 01:47:37,860
[Music]

2595
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,109
to the game

2596
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:05,040
it didn't matter I can't imagine how it

2597
01:48:09,410 --> 01:48:06,840
could have been any better I got to the

2598
01:48:17,220 --> 01:48:09,420
top of stairs like you awake I was not

2599
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:19,189
[Music]

2600
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:58,220
nothing over there

2601
01:48:58,230 --> 01:49:07,030
[Music]

2602
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:09,530
consider your space consider your lies

2603
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:12,640
consider your life consider your eyes

2604
01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:21,119
[Music]

2605
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:27,520
what's that is awesome

2606
01:50:31,729 --> 01:49:56,770
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